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> If you don't stop and they need to run you off the road and arrest you - we are at the violence stage.

If you're speeding and won't even stop when police tries to pull you over, you're putting other users of the road at severe risk. From those other users' POV, you were being violent to them, and running you off the road is the lesser evil.

> Everything from property rights to civil rights are backstopped by the monopoly on violence.

Even that is not so clear to me. ISTM that humans have an inherent desire to defend their possession of whatever they regard as their property, as well as the social standing ("civil rights") of people they care about - including by force. So even the basic government function of managing and enforcing property rights need not involve any initiation of violence, compared to the possibly-chaotic and unregulated violence that was already inherent in the basic notion of property, or civil standing/honor, or whatever.




> running you off the road is the lesser evil.

I think we're in agreement here: the use of violence must be proportional to the actual threat, so running you off the road is justified here. If we're not agreeing, then please explain what I'm missing.


You two are in agreement, but have different levels of trust in the government. One of you feels that the government will use proportional levels of violence to reduce the number of firearms in this country, and the other thinks the government won't. One of you is envisioning an Australian gun buyback, and the other is thinking Waco/Ruby Ridge.




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