I can see this belonging on Engadget but what's the value here?
Don't get me wrong: I have an iPad 2. I love my iPad (1 & 2). I just don't see how a wooden cover for it is HN-worthy.
1. Startups could learn a lot about presentation from this guy. I don't know about anyone else but I was struck by the video's simple, matter of fact style. No flash or funny animations. Just a smart guy showing what his company had done (and then thanking me for my time)
2. People deify Apple too much. Apple's great but you can compete with them if you put some effort into it. Sure most people won't want a wooden iPad cover but some will and it very well may be enough to make a profit off of.
3. Some people might want a wooden iPad cover and this lets them know about it (isn't that the same thing all those "Tell HN" threads do)
For a community centered around startups I think those insights are valuable which is why I up-voted it.
Well... the product does come from Holland. Try watching some Finish videos if you want more of that. People in both of those countries are pretty straightforward in life (based both on personal experience and anecdotes, YMMV).
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Partial, because I do think it's likely people are still recovering from "why didn't I think of that"-itis (or maybe "why didn't someone make this sooner"-itis). Apple just one-upped the entire world of things-that-cover-things, possibly by a greater degree than Tupperware that burps so you know it's keeping things fresh. It takes a while to re-define your place in the world when something like this first comes into existence - until then, everything is awesome: flowers smell more flowery, covers cover more completely, and computers compute like never before.
Additionally a 'full metal jacket' cough provides some protection from getting wet and that seems to be #1 priority in Apple's product doco that you should never ever do.
I don't even own a lawn yet :[
yes. it's much more ingenious than iPad 2 if you think about it.
In fact this thing made me consider for a second that maybe I should get an iPad.
Update: If it wasn't obvious, I was being sarcastic and sad.
Anything capable of giving it a run for its money should be equally as interesting (at least from a design stand-point).
It's nifty, it's another option, but is it better? Better for what? I'd ask, and I'm sure it's more exclusive but from an everyday use perspective, I just don't see it.
Instead, it's just an iteration on Apple's design, from a boutique that specializes in helping you further flaunt your gadgets as status symbols.
Based on the downvote, somebody seems to have taken one of the above sentences seriously. I guess I fail at subtle mockery.
Credit should be given where credit is due. Apple's Smart Cover was an innovation. Miniot's cover is less of an innovation, but no less smart from a business sense, and it would have been impossible for them to make this product for any other tablet, because it's too soon for Samsung et al to have added magnets to their tablets. I think it's also safe to say that if Apple hadn't already done it, Samsung would never bother to make an expensive change to their tablet just to facilitate a clever case.
Did you see this:
If you took the case you linked to and added magnets so it could function like Apple's Smart cover, it would be quite a bit bulkier. I think it's fair to say that Apple's integrating the magnets in to the tablet is a more significant improvement than Miniot's is over Apple's.
By trying to lump me in with the people/strawmen who say that Apple invented smartphones or MP3 players, you do no credit to yourself and you make it look like you're trying to distract from my assertion that it does matter somewhat who the tablet manufacturer is because no other tablet maker would put the magnets inside their tablet.
I bet a lot more have iPads, which means that this article is relevant to them.
In the NL Apple Store, polyurethane Smart Covers costs €39 each while a leather one costs €69 (in Apple's eyes €1 = $1).
This wooden cover costs €50.
I don't think it's fair to compare wood to polyurethane, but feel free to do so in order to make your argument stand.
Ugh, when did cases get so ridiculously expensive? These are really rather exorbitant prices IMHO. For what these things are, I'd maybe part with...$12-15 for the polyurethane one and $20-25 for a leather?
At $40 or $70 (respectively), I'd need a case to protect my case.
We need to stop with the promoting of things like "thank you" or "good job"
Im sorry, I just went on a little rant. The cover is awesome, but did I just learn anything from pohl? I don't care to see this comment over more informative comments below.
(Couldn't resist a little joke at your expense, sorry about that. I actually appreciated the parent comment -- most of the time I never play videos, because they take me out of my normal flow. But due to his comment, I actually watched this one, and am now impressed.)
That gives a great indicator as to whether or not the video is worth my time. The comment could have easily said that the video is a waste of time, which would also be helpful. People won't upvote it if they disagree.
I like upvotes as an expression of agreement because it gives an indication of the truthiness of the comment (wisdom of the crowd). If someone says something in a field I'm not familiar with, and I don't know if they're right or not, I know that the following will occur:
- If they're right, people will upvote.
- If they're wrong, people will either downvote or reply stating why they're wrong.
And since I don't think any of us want comments like "I Agree", upvotes are our only option for providing a vote of confidence in a comment.
As a side note: truthiness, as defined by Colbert  isn't something that a crowd can tell you. It's something that only your gut can tell you. And my gut says that your comment wants a burrito.
Here is a previous HN discussion on comments .
And I'll save you the trouble of reading through to an even earlier discussion where PG weighed in to say "I think it's ok to use the up and down arrows to express agreement." But this was on a different topic regarding troll-like behavior, so it's not entirely clear what his thoughts are.
But a person is going to use their up votes to mean whatever they want them to mean. If you want to up vote in agreement, go ahead, no one is going to stop you. I only up vote things I agree with if I think it adds to the conversation. So while I thought the linked video was impressive and a great way to see the product, I'm not going to up vote a comment that doesn't add much. You are free to disagree.
Pohl’s comment makes perfect sense in that context. My assumption would be – and this might also be pohl’s assumption – that the video would simply not be watched if nobody says that the video is truly worth watching.
Whoa there, cowboy.
I posted that so that those who clicked-through to the article but impatiently left would stay for the demonstration.
Only lever-pushing, pellet-munching hamsters care about the points.
P.S. I modded you up.
Proof positive we are in the karma bubble here!!
Now I happen to disagree with him and may down-vote the comment because I think meta-discussions about the quality of HN are much more annoying than any decline in quality that may or may not exist, but that has nothing to do with his credibility, and neither does his karma, comment average, or much of anything else.
in his post spoiledtechie clearly connected upvotes/points and informativeness. If we accept that connection, having 1.57 average, he can't credibly make statements about informativeness.
What's so uncool about AAPL is the closed platform, that killed so many innovations.
I'm not slamming you on this, if you could show a connection between the two things, that would be very interesting. Sticking to software and not to hardware, I might say that Microsoft and the PC manufacturers allow anybody to make anything, so there are nice PC-Windows things but they are drowned in a sea of dreck. But Apple retain a tight fist over software and filter out the crap. It might appear that Apple inspires great software, but that's only because the proportion of nice stuff to dreck is higher when someone's filtering the dreck out. In reality there might be 2x or even 10x as much nice stuff in total written for Windows, it's just drowned by 100x as much dreck.
Now, I am not saying that, it's a strawman put up as an example of drawing a connection between their closed platform policies and great design by third parties. Perhaps you can draw a better connection? I actually sympathize with you... I have written several blog posts criticizing Apple's policies. I just don't see the connection here and need some help connecting the dots.
Do you know how unthinkable an app store model was 5 years ago? Sure there are innovative things happening on android but would it even exist without iPhone?
All kind of products that would've competed with Apple bundled apps, or could've been seen as illegal in some state, or had some erotic content ...
>>Do you know how unthinkable an app store model was 5 years ago?
Microsoft had a store 5 years ago. What does it have to do with Apple closing their platforms, to make higher profits, while stopping a lot of innovation?
>>Sure there are innovative things happening on android but would it even exist without iPhone?
Symbian, Windows CE and many more existed before the iPhone. As the price of hardware falls and mobile devices become more powerful/useful more and more users are getting smartphones. Android would've made perfect sense, w/o iPhone.