I think it's fine and fun as anything else to make memes about star signs or whatever but some people take it seriously to the point of making sweeping generalizations about people based on what the alignments of planets when they were born.
"Sorry, Mercury is in retrograde right now and that's why I --"
No. You're just kind of a shit person. The sooner you own it and stop blaming the stars, the sooner you can start to improve.
Well, since I literally said "in my experience," yes.
I'm afraid I don't have the energy to do a proper exhaustive study on this topic... Mercury is in retrograde after all.
What is the connection here? What does that have to do with linking relationship dynamics to astrology?
The article indicates that hating astrology is characteristic of white cis men. The parent comment says "FWIW, I'm not those things, and I hate astrology." They aren't asserting their authority to make a logical argument. They are offering their perspective as a sample.
Respectfully, I think you are letting your intellect get in the way of your ability to think by dismissing these perspectives, misidentifying a report of someone's subjective experience as a logical argument, and therefore a fallacy.
Personally, I hate astrology, but I wouldn't have this app flagged as spam and banned from the app store because of it. I think the argument that this is a form of (probably unintentional) racial/gender/sexual discrimination holds water. If nothing else, I find the idea that Apple happily exerts this kind of force on their customer's personal interests super frustrating and distasteful, and bad for business. Money talks, and bullshit walks. If there is no market for it, let it die on its own merit. I don't need Apple's protection from astrology.
We don't all have to embrace each other, but we do have to suffer each other. And traditionally, some of us have been suffering a lot more than others.
That's just my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.
> "We continue to find your app to be an Astrology based dating app. As such, it duplicates the content and functionality of many other similar apps currently available on the App Store. While these app features may be useful, informative or entertaining, we simply have enough of these types of apps on the App Store, and they are considered a form of spam."
So, holy shit -- Apple will reject your app because there are already "enough" other apps that incorporate some particular functionality or theme?
While not illegal, that's so blatantly anti-competitive because it says "no more competition, nobody else can try, you lose, sorry".
That's infuriating. This isn't a grocery store with limited shelf space. Either reject an app because it breaks policies or don't, but don't reject an app because we already "have enough". Look, if it fails, it'll sink to the end of search results and nobody will find it anyways. Or de-list apps that don't meet some tiny minimum number of installs, but to it in the open, for all types of apps, with explicitly known thresholds.
But don't prevent someone from competing in the first place! It's just so... unsportsmanlike. And ultimately harmful to consumers who want better apps.
With this logic, they would reject new games as there are already many games in the app store :)
Maybe that has changed over the years while I wasn't watching, either in letter or in practice, and it is indeed not something you would expect to happen. But to me it kind of sounds like just Apple being Apple.
So, you won’t date a person due to a characteristic that they can’t change or had any agency in choosing, while simultaneously decrying racism.
I just wish people could find peace...
Wait until you find out the importance of how tall a person is (specifically, how tall men are). You're in for a surprise.
And thennnn a postscript at the bottom: "must be X height."
That's also mostly a farce and social status signalling. Most of them wouldn't date a black person to save their life.
I’m currently out of the dating pool, but I had my share of preferences at that time and my potential partners did too. Preferences aren’t the problem, holding two contradicting beliefs is (it’s ok to discriminate based on unchangeable properties when dating, but wrong when setting salaries).
And I will follow the regression further to fully admit that my desire for rationality is itself a preference and not an unmitigated good.
edited to remove analogy because it distracted from the point
There are other innate traits that might factor into who we date, something about how they look, perhaps?
You can choose whether to have a mustache or not. A better analogy might be something like eye/hair color.
Which may be related to why those who have rolled traits which aren't in the existing power structure would be more partial towards this sort of equalizing trait to build first impression biases on
Maybe we should have a dating app that matches people based on the last digit of their social security number. The idea here is to artificially reduce supply in order to compel people to interact with someone they wouldn't usually
But point taken.
2. The claim that "white men don't like astrology because women and nonwhite people do" is even more absurd.
Is this what we have come to? Appeals to logic and fairness fail, but as soon as a party starts squawking about sexism and racism and gay exclusion it works?
“I’ve always been a very science-focused person (I studied Mechanical Engineering & Materials Science), and used to be more opposed Eastern philosophies and traditions (which is a whole thing to unpack as an Asian kid growing up in a white community), but I started seeing the benefits to having a more readily available language to express empathy/emotions in the form of astrology.”
It very briefly describes why you shouldn’t be so dismissive of astrology. Even if it’s not a hard science, that doesn’t mean that it’s useless in other people’s lives. It helps them communicate real emotional needs and wants.
However, the app should be free to exist.
I don't think most people stereotype people who do astrology.
Some seem to think they display a dramatic lack of intelligence however but I personally am fine with them being a diverse group of idiots.
Then you might communicate to someone else "I'm pretty <trait x> for a <sign a>". Then they know that you have <trait x> and <trait y> (because it is associated with your sign and you didn't reject it).
Their app got rejected so they've decided to play identity politics to get the decision overturned.
NOTE: I've used stereotypes of men and women here. I realise there are outliers on both sides.
Humans have an innate desire to understand how the world works. If you're not a religious person (for whatever reason) but you still want to feel connected to a higher power, you're likely to turn to astrology.
Like religion, astrology offers a community of people who want to share their feelings and connect deeper with one another. Also like religion, if you take it too seriously you're liable to lose touch with reality.
I think this is why astrology baffles atheists the most. Atheists and agnostics are similar in many ways since they both reject mainstream religions generally speaking, so atheists are left wondering why agnostics have rejected 99% of religions but replaced it with another pseudo-religion.
Agnostic chiming in. People who legitimately believe in astrology and aren't just doing it for fun are irrefutably wrong. That is not an appealing belief system to me. It is quite baffling.
I think I am aware of the stereotype you're referring to - that of the "agnostic" who "isn't religious, just spiritual" (something that is similarly baffling to me). Just wanted to let you know that not all of us fit that description and I think you'd be hard-pressed to pigeonhole any one of us into a loose stereotype.
But I think this article is unfairly conflating astrology with LGBTQ or POC issues.
Apple doesn't owe you the opportunity to sell on their platform, they need to be careful to not abuse their moderation and to act in a way which is reasonable and fair, but they also have to think about their customers and keeping them around for high quality content.
I also saw a slide from WWDC recently that featured co-star's app icon. Why is co-star so special to Apple?
On Co-Star's website they have positive press reviews from The New Yorker, The Verge, Cosmo, Vanity Fair, Gizmodo, New York Times, HuffPo, Drudge Report, Newsweek, Financial Times, Vogue, and more.
It's obvious that Co-Star app is being pumped as a VC darling and someone wants to eventually get their money back.
Apple is playing their part in the $$ ecosystem by gatekeeping competition.
This isn't written by a cis white male.
Let's not forget that fortune telling is a confidence scam that fleeces people of billions every year. It is absolutely harmful.
: In the US alone, the "Psychic Services" industry brings in more than $2bn/yr.
Wherever you stand on Astrology, it’s ridiculous that Apple is able to just nix this app.
...but the fact that most commenters instead seized on this whole "cis white men" thing to make divisive comments that don't contribute to any meaningful discussion... I can unfortunately understand why dang presumably kept it flagged.
I don't have a problem with Apple banning or heavily scrutinizing astrology or other "fortune-telling" type of apps because it seems like the sort of thing which is ripe for spam and abuse (and lots of low effort low quality submissions). That doesn't mean there shouldn't be exceptions, but I don't feel like any app store owes you placement. It is a problem that there aren't (really) independent app stores, but that is a different problem.
People of all sorts also believe in healing crystals, homeopathy, and antivax theories. I'm pretty confident that most anti-astrology types are also against most of those 3 other things, and people who legitimately believe in astrology are more likely to believe in those.
This came across far less as an article wondering why Apple removed an app, and more of an article justifying prejudice against people with immutable characteristics.
Look at that Instagram post linked in OP's blog entry. I just don't understand what's going on sometimes.