Depending on people's willingness to be blind, the rug is HUGE.
I honestly don't know how you could mentally wiggle yourself into thinking that 8:45 seconds of someone being on your neck could have an alternative cause of death. Hell, but let's say it was something else. Let's say it was actually a heart attack that ultimately did him in. Does that matter? Surely, we can point towards the stress of having someone on your neck for almost 10min as a contributor...?
Honestly, I'm baffled by the mental gymnastics.
Alternatively another technique locks the neck between the foot and the knee and again you aren’t supposed to put your weight on the neck unless you want to kill the person.
Untrained cop on a power trip using improper technique to subdue a person for a fucking forever and a half is a recipe for disaster.
BTW I would bet on most cops not knowing how to perform this properly the only reason you usually don’t have casualties and fatalities is due to the fact that they only hold the suspect in submission for a few seconds until they are cuffed or until their partner arrives to hold them down not like 10 min or what ever that it was.
What makes you assume the cop wasn't deliberately trying to murder? Or did you mean it more as an 'in general' statement?
I think the egregiousness comes not from the move itself, but the duration a excessive use given the person was already subdued, in hand cuffs, on the ground, and not resisting.
I don't think anyone would complain about a knee on the neck of someone actively resisting arrest while they were getting the situation under control.
Even right wing sites like PJ Media railed that it took 3 days to arrest Chauvin.
To me it's a better formatted version of 4chan. its a collection of trolls all circle jerking.
That said, it's been a frustrating read the last few days. The lack of anything resembling nuance is astounding.
> The medical examiner said Floyd had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.
> “The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death,” the medical examiner reported.
They tried to get him into police car for 10min and he resisted, and was saying that he couldn't breathe even prior to the knee+neck incident.
Combine this anecdotal information with a long rap sheet involving felony drug charges ( https://i.redd.it/2sc99kysho151.jpg ) and you have a pretty decent rough estimate that he was on drugs at the time. I'd also like to see official toxicology reports though.
(access is restricted for european visitors I can't follow the link)
it's not a completely ridiculous idea -- there have been many societies throughout history that didn't have formal professional police forces, but still had functioning legal systems. it's also particularly appealing in the US because the police and prison systems here have such severe problems and seemingly cannot be reformed.
(unclear whether it could actually work at a large scale in the modern world, but I can see some of the appeal.)
police and prison abolition have also just become buzzwords, so sometimes people just use them to express frustration, or to describe what are really reforms.
Ok, I'll entertain the thought, what do you propose to replace it? Free for all deathmatch?
Or, perhaps, remove qualified immunity.
Only people I’ve ever seen say things like this are people who have never seen what they’re talking about.
They knew it was wrong, they didn't want to leave any documentary evidence: this is the same bullshit, just closer to home.
> The findings differ from an official preliminary autopsy carried out by the county medical examiner.
I’m not American so... mine is just an imperfect and remote opinion. Maybe I don’t understand all the nuances and the implications.
It's obvious if you watch the video: "his own body killed him"
even though this man tragically got murdered in front of a camera.
Still, i think it is very important that autopsy happens regardless of its obviousness.
Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.
Also, I suspect the non-US HN users are slowly getting fed up with this one topic capturing a large part of the online conversation.
Hmmm no I can't imagine that, could you describe your view more? Why would they be fed up, in your view?
Holy motherflipping cow the amount of Selbstgefälligkeit is insane. How about you guys _actually use_ your second amendment for once if you're so upset with the police.
Get your shit together. Get it all together. And put it in a backpack. All your shit. So it’s together.
And if you gotta take it somewhere, take it somewhere, you know, take it to the shit store and sell it… Or put it in a shit museum, I don’t care what you do, you just gotta get it together. Get your shit together!