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Pantai Remis Landslide (wikipedia.org)
41 points by andybak on May 24, 2020 | hide | past | favorite | 24 comments

Watch the video until the end. It seems a bit boring even after the landslide has started, but seeing the entire P̶a̶c̶i̶f̶i̶c̶ Indian Ocean linger at the top of that last bit of land, waiting to plunge into the open space, was fascinating.

A sight to behold. I’ve been to that area and I believe it was the Straits of Malacca, which is connected to the Indian Ocean rather than to the Pacific. Not quite an ocean but still awe inspiring to see the massive power that water has.

And the Wikideletionists have flagged it already (not already I suppose, the article is 11 years old)!

That was me. I don't consider myself a deletionist, but this seemed like a pretty egregious example of something that does not meet the bar for having its own page.

I might be wrong :). You can go ahead and disagree with the proposed deletion; it's Wikipedia. I can assure you I am a very light editor. If there is a cabal, I am not a member.

Why would anyone think this way?

Because the more inclusionary wikipedia is, the less rare and valuable it is to be a wikipedia contributor and/or editor.

Imagine if everyone was allowed to write a factual, well-formed, properly cited article ?

Sorry, what? I made the comment above precisely to highlight the fact that the proposal was made by me, some random person, and it can easily be disputed by you, some random person, because everyone can (and should!) edit Wikipedia.

Your sarcasm is really quite hurtful.

Not sure how GP is sarcasm. People use the Wikipedia rules all the time to suppress newcomers and keep them, get them sanctioned, and keep them from becoming better editors.

The idea of Wikipedia is to allow anyone to write articles. But in practice a newcomer has to have a lot of grit to keep content on the site because of the social structures that effectively make certain topics off-limits to newcomers. I like Wikipedia a lot but I have better things to do with my life than go to ArbCom when someone is effectively claiming ownership of a page.

I'm curious why you went for speedy deletion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion

OK. Zero interest in arguing about inclusionism for the hundredth time so I'll take your word for it that you mean well and I wish you good luck.

Changing subjects:

How does one change the username their HN posts are made by, after the fact ? That's a neat trick ...

That is an awesome trick, please let us know how! The account was created hours after the comments, and the comments no longer appear in the original commenter history.

For me, it isn't worth expending the mental energy editing Wikipedia. I'd be exhausted seeing the arbitrary deletion of articles like this; fighting Wikipedia policy warriors, who have all the WP:TLA and WP:FLA rules memorized; fighting PoV warriors, the successful ones who are also policy warriors; fighting cliques who take unofficial ownership of articles.

And maybe it's just me, but I don't get the impression that most very light editors of Wikipedia have even made a single proposal for deletion.

I don't have the rules memorized. I didn't know what WP:TLA or WP:FLA was until you mentioned them, and I had to look up the rules for notability of events.

It's also worth pointing out that the conflict and tedium you anticipated just didn't materialize. An anonymous editor reverted my proposal with a one-line rebuttal and that looks like the end of the story.

I know the phenomenon you are describing, and it is real. I just don't think it's a fair description of what happened here. I made a well-intentioned editorial decision, and when I saw grumbling here, I went out of my way to acknowledge my fallibility and to point out my action could be reversed.

I wasn't expecting to be called out as an example of Everything Wrong With Wikipedia These Days, though that's exactly what the comments and downvotes in this thread feel like. I'm pretty bummed about it.

Thanks for taking the trouble.

I felt tricked, since posting a link directly to the video would have sufficed. I suppose a submission that links to Wikipedia attracts more clicks and upvotes. However, the article has very little substance and looks to be essentially a wrapper around a YouTube video link.

Although the Wikipedia article was thin, the video lacked any context (especially due to the way YouTube hides the description text on many devices).

I probably should have linked to the Reddit post but that had even less content and I didn't have it to hand.

That was incredible to watch. I'm assuming that whole edifice collapsed due to the impact from the mining, right?

Yes, it collapsed because the miners dug a huge hole right next to the ocean.

What's really crazy is that the Red Sea might have formed in a single event like this one but thousands of times bigger!

I can't find a link now but, uh,


> Paleo-environmental and tectonic events in the Miocene epoch created the Danakil Isthmus, a land bridge forming a broad connection between Yemen and Ethiopia. During the last 100,000 years eustatic sea level fluctuations have led to alternate opening and closing of the straits.

Looks like you haven't heard about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanclean_flood


Would love to see someone apply one of those neural network upscalers to see this in 4K :)

Anyone know where specifically this happened? In the form of a Google maps link, preferably.

In Malaysia links in the wiki.

I was thinking more specifically, I wanted to look at the cove formed:)

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