It's an amazing machine. Perfect under every aspect. Way better than the XPS13.
It's really, really remarkable. It's thin yet it has ALL the ports you might wish for in a modern laptop, 2xUSB type A, USB-c/Thunderbolt, HDMI, Ethernet, regular power plug, audio jack, sim card, micro-sd.
I'm glad it only has the intel integrated video card so I don't have to deal with proprietary drivers. The only downside is that the fingerprint reader isn't recognized and doesn't seem to be supported under gnu/linux.
Otherwise it would be 100% supported.
Wifi, bluetooth and camera all work out of the box. There's an IR camera, but I haven't tested it.
Had it had the trackpoint, I would have declared the TinkPad definitively dead and would have switched my personal laptop to this exact dell model (I currently use a ThinkPad T440 for personal stuff).
Mine came with a 4c/8t i7, 16 gb ram and a 512gb nvme disk.
It's really, really a remarkable small but capable machine.
You can check it for yourself, every Dell model has the full repair instructions posted somewhere on the Dell site (go to the Support page, select the model, and open the manuals tab). For instance, https://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/latitude-13-7390-laptop_owne... is the one for the Dell Latitude 7390. I always check these guides before buying a laptop, to make sure I'm not getting something like non-replaceable RAM.
I am a recent Thinkpad to Latitude convert, the Dells are just better, less cost, better hardware, maybe less Chinese malware.
I mean, an more or less than any other brand or manufacturer?
There's no need to install overt spyware once caught the first time: It's easy to hide a backdoor in bundleware or a driver (whether proprietary or open source) to say, allow a well crafted network packet to pwn your machine while maintaining plausible deniability that it wasn't inserted on purpose. Like it or not you need to trust your vendors.
I take my chances with a US owned company, because even with a free press and whistleblowers like Edward Snowden, the US has not been caught doing mass scale theft of commercial information to give to private companies with the goal of saving them R&D costs to be internationally competitive.
Even an Excel spreadsheet showing the financial forecasts of a 10 person company is very sensitive information. It can be used to craft compelling buyout offers.
If the conversation between the CEO and the CFO of a 10 person company are discussing a Chinese buyout offer and are using a communications platform owned by China (whether a Motorola smartphone, a Huawei network router, or Zoom) the government of China has shown it is very interested the conversation is taking place, very interested in the contents of the conversation, and is willing to give the contents of its state espionage to its private companies to better compete.
Personally, I try to avoid Dell because they set up their laptops such that the display doesn't work if the backup battery is dead, a move that seems entirely designed to make customers think that something more serious is wrong. Relatedly, they make the battery hard to reach (or at least made in two previous models I've seen).
The trick is finding companies that are minimally decent.
I'm presuming either the people who transgressed in that scenario have learned, or they're no longer in a position to make those decisions, or there's more oversight etc etc etc, and / or that the community is more vigilant.
Besides, the Thinkpad line was never affected.
It seems like the T480s is more similar to the Latitude line than the XPS line.
There are two issues that seem like there should be a fix for but I can't find:
* Having a left and right side of the trackpad. I would prefer to disable that and just use two fingers to right-click anywhere on the track pad.
* Cursor doesn't disappear when typing. I'm some apps it does and in others it doesn't. I would prefer it do it all the time.
My biggest complaint is the poor quality of the speakers.
I also suspect that the Killer adapter was the source of some bluescreens I got, usually after sleep. After some driver updates it has disappeared.
The Latitude 7390 is a bit smaller than the T480s (13 vs 14 inches).
If the latitude 7390 had the trackpoint, i would prefer that to a thinkpad.
Also: I appreciate that it comes with a "regular" power plug, but mine also supports charging over USB-C. I think more laptops should give that option.
What's a 'regular' power plug? I thought these weren't standardised beyond USB-C?
I've owned many laptops, and the barrel plug on every one got loose over time. Sometimes slight, and power continued; but other times it was enough to require delicate jiggling to keep the power flowing; once or twice an accident was catastrophic, the plug and even the surrounding frame was damaged.
It's why I won't buy a Dell laptop, now that the other brands offer USB-C.
Your argument is invalid.
The display is 1920x1080 and 167ppi.
4k content is common now, as are vector fonts.
I feel like to be called “perfect” a laptop display should be at least 200ppi, and at least 1500 pixels tall.
Historically “PC” display standards seem to be closer to 2000 than 2020.
The fact that PC graphics software is still stuck in the 90s isn’t a good reason to ship low res displays.
I'm not sure if there is a model with an AMD GPU, if there was I'd go with that.
But I can tell that intel cpu + intel graphics are a dream for gnu+linux compatibility.
The X1 carbon is such a better built machine that there isn’t even a comparison. The XPS13 looks good but feels cheap, also good luck getting service from dell if anything breaks.
Mine has i5-8250u, 8GB RAM, 1TB Intel 660p NVMe, Intel AX200 Wi-Fi 6/BT 5.0 card, 1080P matte display, 2xUSB 3.0 Type-A ports, 1xUSB-C/TB3 port, SD card slot, and a Headphone jack. I don't believe the RAM can be upgraded but the storage and the wireless card definitely can as mine originally came with a 128GB M.2 SSD and a shit Killer Wi-Fi card.
for the same money you could have bought a latitude that you could upgrade if you need to.
> my System76 Galago Pro had its second experience with a dead/swelling battery.
I used to have a Dell laptop which had exactly the same problem with my first battery. Running laptop plugged into AC adapter 99% of the time was one reason for that happening, I imagine.
Fix was ridiculously simple - I bought a new battery (original) + a knock-off power adapter (a more expensive one - hoping it's built well enough so it wouldn't burn my house down - and as luck had it, it didn't). Knock-off adapter doesn't speak magic Dell charging protocol, so laptop runs off of it, but refuses to charge.
I kept original AC adapter for (infrequent) travel only, all the other time powering from a knock-off. Worked a charm - second battery held something like 90% of charge 3 years later, with no signs of swell whatsoever. Compare that to first battery, that lived on constant top-up charge (original adapter), and after less than a year swell up to the point it wouldn't clip in anymore.
ThinkPad and some Asus laptops also have the feature.
In fact, my Asus laptop stops charging at 60%. Not sure if that's significantly better than stopping at 80%.
Except Dell laptops have a configuration in the BIOS to better handle to be always plugged. I changed this BIOS option, and it basically never uses or charges the battery unless AC is off.
So, the fix is even more ridiculously simpler than you thought.
I wish Apple hadn’t completely given up on the market that includes most of the computer purchases I want to make: software development, a few network servers, NAS, content creation, home automation, gaming.
But I got burned on the laptops, and the company got burned on the laptops, and repeatedly the worldwide warranty experience was poor, compared to what was IBM and is now Lenovo. We moved to ThinkPad and apart from a cooked batch of R- series with faulty ethernet, never regretted it.
I am glad Dell is maybe back on form in Laptop land. I probably won't be trying yet.
 Using the firmware ISO image instead of the regular one so that the intel-wifi package would be in the image at install time.
I may not need those things, but I definitely want them.
When you work with text all day, a high dpi screen is wonderful. I'd like to see it get to the point where it's comparable to a page out of a laser printer.
I've tried using various distros on a Lenovo T480 recently. The laptop itself is decent though the screen is a little small for my tastes. Regardless, no matter what combination of OS and hardware that I've tried, nothing holds a candle to a Macbook. I'd really like to be able to use Linux on whatever piece of hardware I want, though things like the retina display and trackpad (among other things) keep me from leaving. Macbooks are such a joy to use, which I can't say about most other hardware/software unfortunately.
Consensus can't be divined from comment threads, but many threads on HN related to Apple hardware generally bring people out of the wood-work venting about keyboards, battery life, touch bar, mag-safe, ports, software regressions, etc. with sentiments of "if I wasn't beholden to macOS/Photoshop/Final-Cut-Pro I'd switch to something else". So it may not be obvious from someone who just reads about Macs from HN comments that they are either (1) the best hardware or (2) a joy to use (although let me be the first to admit that's a completely flawed way to form an opinion about anything lol).
Personally I think the largest reason people move or stick to Linux/BSD is that there are unique features that can't be found in other OSs, and that these balance out the utility of features lost. This would be in contrast to fulfilling full feature-parity with no switching cost. For Linux/BSD, I would consider this things related to the nature of free software and user control.
I was going to argue with you, but now that I think about it more, I believe you are right. People use Windows or Mac generally to run some specific software (for example if you need Visual Studio or want to play certain games, you are going to use Windows and probably don't think about the OS very often).
Conversely, users pick Linux because they want to run Linux.
Considering both Linux and MacOS are Unix, what kinds of things can you do in Linux (or BSD) that you can't do in MacOS? Is it all about the window manager?
Another big difference is aspect ratio. Lenovo ships 16:9 displays. WQHD gives an effective vertical resolution of 720px at 2x. FHD at 1.5x is also an effective vertical resolution of 720px, or 864px at 1.25x. Apple on the other hand ships 16:10 displays with an effective vertical resolution of 900 px at 2x. That means a 13 inch macbook pro fits more lines of code on the screen than a 14 inch FHD or WQHD thinkpad.
Not sure that's practical at all and thus whether it makes any difference.
Another thing that didn't work well at all was when I tried to use an external monitor with the T480. I had to go back and adjust the fractional scaling settings to make it look decent, and then revert those changes when I went back to just the laptop screen.
Edit: forgot about the aspect ratio too, that's a nice feature of the Retina screens.
just wheo i was thinking of switching to a tiling wm if i could find a mouse-friendly one
The advantage of having 1280x800 scaled resolution on a 2560x1600-capable screen is the incredible sharpness of text. I personally find it very noticeable, it's so much easier on my eyes.
So except the thing that was important to OP.
Display screen, you will need another program for that, but it's possible.
I've tried doing PCI passthrough to get full wireless speeds but never figured out how to make it all work with suspend/resume https://www.davidschlachter.com/misc/t480-bhyve-wifi-pci-pas...
Other than frustrations with WiFi, using FreeBSD as my main OS has been an interesting learning experience.
Wow! I've been thinking about this (for unsupported Broadcrap etc. cards) ages ago, very nice to see that someone actually did it :)
Why qmail? Is it really original qmail, or qmail with freebsd patches, or notqmail, or what?
(In light of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23247196)
Why not postfix?
The speakers and keyboard feel fine to me, but that's very subjective. Speaking of subjective, this feels like the most solidly constructed laptop I've ever used.
I wish Dell wouldn't use the same model number for different models. :-/
Is there a systematic way to know what config goes in a syctl-style file, and what goes in a rc-style file (via sysrc)?
I have never used FreeBSD, but i am excited to see that there are only four (?) config interfaces used in these instructions!
As cperciva notes, sysctl.conf is read by userland during rc(8) "multiuser" boot. loader.conf is used by the bootloader to set tunables (knobs that can only be changed at boot time), load kernel modules early, and configure other bootloader settings.
Some sysctls are also tunables; for backwards compatibility or in case it is useful for the value to be set during boot before userspace runs.
> Is there a systematic way to know what config goes in a syctl-style file, and what goes in a rc-style file (via sysrc)?
That sounds about right, depending on how you count "copy this sample configuration file into place".
FreeBSD has the concept that /etc/rc.conf is a "master configuration file", not just for turning features on and off but also for setting command line options. More complex daemons -- e.g. devd and crond -- have their own configuration files as well, but in most cases they also have configuration directories allowing you to add configuration by creating new files rather than editing an existing one.
sysctl.conf controls the system example:
Booting the system (modules driver etc)loader.conf:
fuse_load="YES" << mind the _load
Start Services after loader and sysctl (rc.conf):
hald_enable="YES" << mind the _enable
But the work at home rush on laptops made them hard to find. You could get them for $100-200 less than a similar spec T-series.
I know that when I bought my XPS15 Dell didn’t officially support Linux on it. I think I was told I could order the more expensive equivalent latitude model. However the XPS15 has been well supported, with plenty of Linux specific BIOS fixes (auto updated on Ubuntu).
Aside to author: your page breaks mobile Safari hard on an iPad! Looks like a Safari bug (unless author is being tricky!). Anyone else wanting to read on iPad, use reader view.
The XPS13 7390 is basically the marketing-grade full-BS laptop: no ports and soldered ram on some models.
The latitude 7390 is the good laptop with user-replaceable ram and disk, thin bezels. Looks a bit boring but delivers.
That's very weird. I haven't changed the CSS on that site since... uhh... some time around 2006, actually.
I’ve seen it before with mouse :hover changing to bold, causing reflow due to increased text width, causing element to shift from under mouse, causing not(:hover), causing normal font (start loop again, repeat forever).
Some browsers are better at detecting looping reflow problems and halting them.
Only thing I miss and somehow can feel is the lack of dual channel. I'd trade one 16gb dd4 for two ddr3 slots any day.
edit: forgot why I wrote it down: it runs linux fine ^^ (kubuntu 18.04)
Do you use Linux? One of the reasons why I chose a thinkpad is having a docking station that reliably works on linux. Any past experience with thinkpad docks? How do they compare?
I sometimes have hiccups (black screen, needs to plug it back in and out) when unplugging from the dock but I think it only shows up after a kernel upgrade.
It's the wd15.
It keeps resizing the font for every second on my iPad.
I've been given this laptop at work, I use it with Ubuntu.
If you want to refer to something you posted elsewhere, please use a link. Better still, when you see a split discussion, email email@example.com so we can merge them. We'll make sure your comment ends up in the winning thread.
how about, maybe, deleting the duplicate posting instead of bothering people that contributes with genuine personal opinions based on first-hand experience?