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and in fact I would say that the case of PG and YC have this in common with the case of Lee and Cloudflare as John describes it—as remote from one another that Postgres procedures and custom Lisps may be in every other respect.

Oh, you reminded me of something fun. I had a lot of freedom under Lee when I first joined Cloudflare (that's partly how Cloudflare became a Go user) and one of my first jobs was writing a new WAF service... I made an entire working version in Arc. I almost made all our customers write rules using it.

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