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> especially when you look at some of the governments Sanders has praised over his career.

Can you be more specific here?

I mean, there can be praise for some governments without saying we advocate for everything they do. It's possible for instance to praise Cuba for health care outcomes without wanting to become Fidel Castro. There are also some ridiculous insinuations that Sanders is some kind of Chavista, which to me is a bit of a flag that someone isn't serious about their anti-Sanders discussion. I would say he advocates for more of a European type of safety net.

> No need for the government to seize the means of production

I do not believe Sanders proposes that.






From Wikipedia (prior to elected office): advocated for nationalization of major industries, including those in the manufacturing, energy and banking sectors. In 1974, he advocated for a marginal tax rate of 100% on income over one million dollars, saying that "Nobody should earn more than a million dollars"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Bernie_...

I doubt Sanders still advocates for most of these positions, and he is of course a millionaire now.


You're confusing wealth with income

You can advocate for nationalization of some industries and high income taxes [like we had in the 50s] without going Full Communist or even pulling a Hugo Chávez.

Check out this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nationalizations_by_co...

Amtrak was the one that came to mind for me. Nationalizing rail service has been pretty common in multiple countries over time. Sometimes private utilities also get absorbed by local governments. The history of fire departments in this country has a lot of that. The UK has an even longer list, you will note. Mexico nationalized gas stations in the 20th century.


I want to address your points re Cuba and Venezuela.

I'm going to start with Venezuela since I am a Venezuelan-American and you might not like what my views are on the topic. First of all, I always assume good faith, even when it comes down to Sanders, unlike Michael Moore, for instance.

- Venezuela

Sanders expressed his support of Chavez in many of his writings. So, you might not consider him a Chavista, but he's definitely praised Chavez at least up to 2011 [1].

I know this is anecdotal, I visited Venezuela many times: 2005, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2013. Believe me, anyone with good faith could not have praised whatever was going down there in 2011. 2000? I can give you the benefit of the doubt. Chavez had only been in office for ~3 years by the time and hadn't shown what an awful dictator he was going to become.

- Cuba

Have you been to Cuba? Again, this is anecdotal, but nothing like first hand experience on a matter to make some people understand what the ugly reality is outside whatever some organization states on what the state of those countries are.

Trust me, you don't want to be in a Cuban hospital.

>> No need for the government to seize the means of production > I do not believe Sanders proposes that.

Here's a video [2] where Chavez is seizing the means of production on national TV.

I find deeply sad when some Americans try to justify certain candidates who have supported awful governments, like Chavez's or Castro's.

[1] https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/sanders-di...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-zfD5SKeVQ


I am not a fan of Chávez or Maduro or Evo Morales and that sort. There was some more optimism when that political wave started, and I in particular used to be more optimistic about them than I am today. This is probably true of a number of American left leaning people.

I have not been to Cuba. I hope to some day. (I speak fluent Spanish btw and hear about these places in their original, local non-US sources.) I do understand that they are said to have good health care outcomes, which is especially remarkable given how the rest of their economic system is going. The United States health care system is very terrible.

> Here's a video [2] where Chavez is seizing the means of production on national TV.

Yeah he does look kind of like a dumbass appropriating buildings on a whim without investigation or any kind of review (for the TV cameras and that silly applause), that was pretty much his way, but it's important to note that Bernie Sanders is not Hugo Chávez and can't be held responsible for the actions of another person, living or dead.


Why do you think the media focuses on acknowledging on this and not the official US policy of support of a monarchy like Saudi Arabia?



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