I live in a a place where we use a bidet to clean ourself, or the water jet thing if it doesn’t have any bidet. Then we put a soap in our left hand and wipe it (pardon) on the area of interest to clean everything as we wash it with water. Then we wash our hands and its clean and refreshing.
Additionally, I combined both. First cleaning with water and soap, then wipe it with toilet paper. I personally think this combination is good, its clean, and it does not waste a lot of paper.
My parents are from India, but I was born & raised in Canada. I haven't been back to India since I was 10 years old, so nearly 25 years ago. But we did several trips, and I remember my sister and I hated using the latrines in the outhouses. We lived in the village, so squatting while doing our business, and using a lota of well water to wash up was so foreign and bizarre to us. When we returned to Canada, my 4 year old sister ran to the bathroom and hugged the toilet.
With the wisdom of age (if you can call me wise at 35), I now realize that toilet paper is inferior in all ways. It's wasteful, and it doesn't accomplish it's purpose. Now that I've had a child, we wash him with soap and water on every messy diaper change. We joke that he has the cleanest bum in the house.
You're not wrong, but it's completely cultural. I've experienced both sides of the culture, and I agree with you completely.
But we haven't installed a bidet. We're still a TP household. I was considering one before the current crisis. I think this year I might get one.
It’s an interesting story from your side! Wish for your children to be healthy, and for everyone else that are having crisis of TP and other essentials items to be able to get through it. Stay safe!
Water tends to spray _stuff_ around. Do those public facilities need extra or more frequent attention?
Does a bidet or water jet change the cleanliness perception of a public or community toilet?
Most of the public facilities in my town are equipped with bidet/jet + toilet paper (some might provide soap at the toilet, if not; they always provide soap in the hand sink. In this case, it's better not to touch your private parts with bare hands and use the toilet paper to fully clean it). All of the office that I went to always provides soap and toilet paper. So you don't have to bring your own kit.
The shape of the toilet and the positioning of the bidet/jet definitely could reduce the amount of water going outside the (pardon) hole. But there's always some of it that got out. It is advised that we wipe the water on the seat with toilet paper to make it dry. Some also provide a cleaning solution to wipe the seat before using it.
Usually, there's a cleaning service nearby that always wipe the floor and clean everything.
From my personal experience with toilet paper, I need to use a load of it to make sure its thick enough to protect my hands from touching it directly as there's no water to wash it later except outside in the hand sink. I could easily use half of the roll to fully clean myself and make sure there is no residue at all (further wipes doesn't leave any mark behind the paper). Also, we don't throw the paper into the (pardon) hole, there's a dedicated bin for it and the smells (pardon) when it is opened is a whole new problem (I don't know if the gas is dangerous, but its really something). But then again, as it is not cleaned with soap, I am sure there are some bacteria left behind and it makes me feel uncomfortable.
I don't know what to say about the perception of people, but I do think it does change the perception, I am just not sure how :)
Seems the water splashing about is a pretty easy problem to solve. Your bum shoudl cover move of the opening and a simple shroud would block the gap between the seat and the rim.
The amount of TP used goes down dramatically with experience and the idea that you cannot get super clean with it is not entirely accurate. It will not be soap and water clean, for sure, but clean and dry to the touch is easy to accomplish.
The amount used goes down with experience. 4 sheets wrapped around 3 fingers and sort of folded and held by the thumb provides protection to your digits and adequate surface area for cleaning. . Do that 2-4 times and all done. Or as some might say -
once forward, once back, once to polish. Don't ask. Just ... imagine. :D
Ready to have your mind blow? within the TP user community there are 3 distinct strategies for cleaning. As the joke goes - Most don't realize people do it differently than they do, and when they find out think they are very weird.
Stay seated, scoot forward, lean forward, hand behind you.
Stand up, lean forward, hand behind you.
Stand up, squat down, lean forward, hand behind you.
There may be some variations on each of those creating sub-groups; hand positions, one foot on seat, etc. Imaging the logistics of those different groups is sort of fascinating.
I will have to find myself a .. .hose I guess? (Just kidding) going to give it a try!
Great topic :)
In the US only small children do this because they haven't learned any technique yet. The adults who actually pay for the toilet paper and who don't enjoy unclogging their toilets use far less.
But in my place, you are not allowed to throw anything into the toilet and use a bin instead.
It's amazing how most of the western world gets by with paper only. Try holding a piece of ... in the hand, then clean it with paper only. No amount of paper will make it clean enough.
I agree that a bidet can get you cleaner. But if you are using your bare hand to clean with, you are getting a cleaner rear at the expense of a dirtier hand. No matter how well you wash.
You'll be down to a single square in no time.
Do you mean that one of these techniques is a major mode, and the other is hard to quit?
1. "Wet Wipes" which are commonly used to clean babies and young children, these must be disposed of in the bin and can't be flushed
2. "Wet Toilet Paper" which is a far less durable version of the above, and flushes and disintegrates as normal. In the UK, these come with a "Flushable" symbol on the package.
Since the company was so small, we all had multiple roles including installation. I ended up visiting many different kinds of paper mills such as oil filter paper and roofing paper. But the most insane sites were the toilet paper mills. Just ginormous machines spewing out TP at 5000 feet per minute. Noise so deafening, you had to wear heavy duty ear protection and use hand signals.
One time we were installing a system in Medford, Oregon. The plant electrician was inspecting our install and the owner's son is showing off our relay rack to him. He pulls out a random relay (they were in octal sockets) to show the electrician what we were using. Turns out the relay was in series with a live circuit on the dryer, and the line goes down.
After they get the line back up, the foreman comes over and tells us how much money that mistake had cost them. I can't remember the figure, but it was pretty embarrassing. Doh!
The show listed all of the filming locations on its website. Via Internet Archive I discovered this was filmed at Cascades paper in Canada (likely a Montreal, QC production location)
Interested to see the use of metric system (75 km long roll, 165 cm wide inner tube). I presume that the narrator is just reading a script which is based on the actual units the toilet paper company uses. I used to travel to Europe often and always been the butt of the metric system jokes (I am American) but I think people do not understand is that metric system is used more widely than they think in the US. It is the official system of the USA (Pub. L. 94-168, §2, Metric Conversion Act 1975 § 205b 1.). Furthermore, entire industires such as semiconductor, electronics, pharmaceuticals, medicine and dentistry, sports (100 meter runs) and the U.S. Military uses metric system extensively if not exclusively in many areas. There are still areas in our life where we do not have nice divisibility by decimal numbering system (which is one of the advantages of the metric system of units) - time (0-24 hours), angle (0-360 degrees), font sizes (Swiss points), aviation / navy, Space industry, etc around the world including nations in Europe. IMO if we had to rewind history and start over again, we should have chosen a base-12 duodecimal system instead of decimal. Imagine how the world would be like if we had 12 fingers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duodecimal
One example that always sticks out to me is hearing about German cars being limited to 155mph when of course it's really 250kph.
Often you'll find a metric value being quoted as authoritative that's the conversion of an imperial measure though. It wouldn't surprise me at all if that 165cm wide tube was originally set there because something was 65 inches.
Of course the purpose of a sewage treatment plant is to remove as much as possible of the material in the water, regardless of what it is, ending up with water that is as pure as possible so it can be let out into nature.
The point is TP just becomes part of the solids and there's no need to separate it from the rest of the solids, it's complementary being derived from trees.
I think they're just finally going to start treating it this year (if they haven't already).
"Recycled paper is an important raw material to provide sustainability of natural resources and reduce the environmental impact of the use of paper from recycled pulp in the packaging industry. Hence, recycled paper production is higher in terms of volume and utilization. Recycled paper products are used in the packaging industry partially or fully. Such usage leads to the presence of heavy metals due to recycled and chemical additive sources. The present study aims at determining the amounts and also identifying the sources of heavy metals such as Pb, Cd, Zn, Ni, and Cu contained in recycled testliner (TL) and fluting (FLT), which are main products used in production of corrugated cardboard. The metals in the structure of the paper used in packages directly or indirectly in contact with foods are heavy metals. Mean values of 2.6 mg kg-1 Pb (lead), 2.8 mg kg-1 Zn (zinc), 0.094 mg kg-1 Cd (cadmium), 1.8 mg kg-1 Ni (nickel), and 25.4 mg kg-1 Cu (copper) were detected in test liner and fluting papers using inductively coupled plasma optical emission spectrometry (ICP-OES). The main sources of heavy metals are colorants, mainly consisting of conventional paint and pigments as well as spot and Pantone Matching System (PMS) colorants."