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One could argue we made better ways to play MP3s on our computers.

But nothing has come anywhere close to improving or replacing Milkdrop

I would argue that WinAmp and XMMS where the last good audio players. Why is it that modern music players think that the need to do library management, why are they fullscreen applications?

We need to start maintaining winamp and the clones again.

For pure mp3 playing, foobar2000 is like winamp except still getting updated, with less ugly (more OS-conforming) UI. For even more simplicity, there's no reason you should need a separate app for mp3s and movies, and mpc-hc is the best no-nonsense media player.

I think there is a reason to keep audio and video playback separate, because you approach them differently.

When you are watching video, it's usually where your attention goes, whereas listening to audio is something done "in the background", while your attention is elsewhere (reading, writing, playing a game, or even cleaning the house).

Therefore to me it is obvious that an audio playing application should behave like a good butler - readily available when you need to e.g. change the playlist, but invisible otherwise - and I would compare a video playing application to a live entertainer.

A video playing application should of course also get out of your way so you can focus on the actual video, but there is a subtle difference nevertheless.

The author of foobar2000 even made another music player that is much simpler, great for people like mrweasel, I think: https://perkele.cc/software/boom

In my opinion, it is the best audio player and available for almost any system. Can do things you would assume are basic features, but most players fail to implement. Like mirroring stereo sound through all you other speakers you might have.

Audacious is a maintained descendent of XMMS that doesn't really have a library.

Also, foobar2000 is very well maintained, and implying it's not a good audio player is simply sacrilege!

I don't mind having library management, and I would love to have a Linux clone of foobar2000. Nothing else has its tag management and search/sort capabilities.

I put lots of custom tags in all of the tracks I've ripped, downloaded, or recorded live, and I have yet to come across a Linux music player that allows me to search them or sort by them.

Clementine comes close, but not quite close enough. Maybe I need to get some Copious Free Time and rip into its sources.

If you are interested in foobar-like players for Linux, DeaDBeeF may be worth looking into.

foobar works pretty well in wine

I hope it works better than the last time I tried it. I found it didn't work well for me, but that was some years ago.

It basically works perfectly for me, though it can take a bit of setting up. The only downside I'd say is that drag and drop from outside foobar is a bit wonky, you can't always drag and drop from a native file manager (though it always works if you drop onto the status bar instead of the playlist). You can also bypass the wine audio stack: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/foobar2000-on-linux-how-to-b...

I use VLC as an audio player for this exact use case.

VLC doesn't do gapless, so it rather sucks for album listening.

Winamp does library management...

That was a late (and welcome) addition that's still optional - you can use Winamp 5.x in classic mini-player mode, with nothing but the queue and playback controls, using your file system to manage what you're playing. I don't, apart from ephemeral files, but apparently it's a thing people like.

Did we? Winamp lost the audio player wars to iTunes because it was the only way to sync music to iPods. But iTunes was a bloated mess, always had to run on startup and had the iTunes Store jammed into it as well.

As a result of this comment I finally jumped through the necessary hoops to get MilkDrop working with foobar2000 - seeing it running at 1080p/60fps feels like I've just arrived in the future.

100% agree. Milkdrop visualisations were awesome. There are some replacements available (you can check out Plane 9), however, I find them nowhere close to good old Milkdrop.

Or maybe it's just nostalgia?

Milkdrop lives on in ProjectM, the community maintained open source fork of the final milkdrop source release:

- https://github.com/projectM-visualizer/projectM

There's even pulseaudio/JACK versions of projectM that allow you to pipe any audio source into projectM to visualize. Enjoy!

I always find projectM looks nowhere near as cool as milkdrop even on the same presets, but I’m not sure why..

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