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Tract: A Hugo theme for ambitious documentation projects (lucperkins.dev)
177 points by biggestlou 6 days ago | hide | past | web | favorite | 74 comments





> Anyone who knows me well (in the tech industry at least) knows that I’m a major Hugo bigot

"Bigot" is likely not the word you are looking for here - it generally has the connotation of someone who looks down or discriminates against those they consider lesser, e.g. racists or sexists. Maybe "champion" or "fanatic"?


It's a joke. The whole point is for the author to cast themself in a negative light.

or zealot!

Yeah I agree, I think they are looking for zealot. Sounds similar but different connotation.

Partisan would work, too.

Eh, it works in this case as a whimsical self-deprecating title. I would never call anyone else this term, but self-reference is alright IMO.

How does it work as self-deprecation? I don't see it making sense in the way that "I'm a Hugo nerd/geek/slobbering fanatic" would.

I think more in the sense of "I believe this is better regardless of objective reality". The others convey that you like or are into something, this conveys that you won't be swayed, so anyone reading further had better be ok with that.

It works as self-deprecation because it’s not really something worth getting all worked up about, and yet here I am

I think they're saying the opposite of that; they're biased against Hugo or generally vocal in their criticism of it.

Here's Classy Docs for Gatsbyjs - a pure react based static site generator.

Remember, you need to write JavaScript anyway..it's probably far more productive to go all the way.

https://greglobinski.github.io/gatsby-starter-kit-docs/class...


I strongly disagree with this view. "You use JS anyway" is not a single valid reason to adopt React. Use it when you build interactive web applications (because that's what it was developed for), or if your site uses heavy content-changing animations commonly used in SPAs. Documentations, on the other site, are neither of that. At least this is what I expect: I am searching for information because I have to solve a problem, not to look at nice animations or give the docs page a thumb up.

you are mistaken here.

Gatsbyjs is not a dynamic application. It is a React-based framework to generate static sites. Pretty much exactly like Hugo - except that Hugo uses Go templating and Gatsbyjs uses React.

If you open the link i gave, it would solve the problem you needed to solve (and also get nice animations if you are so inclined).

The other advantage is that in the future if you want to build a dynamic application, you can continue where you left off. You dont have to rewrite in another framework. Its React all the way down.


Thanks for the clarification. Based on the Gatsby website itself and the docs it seemed that the websites generated with it also use React for the site itself. Apparently this is not the case. Still, the argument that one should better not bet on heavy frameworks for simple documentation is kinda valid, even if not applicable for the given use case.

Please follow the link.

Gatsby is a React based static website generator.

Why React? Because there's A LOT of developers familiar with it. Why Gatsby? Has a ton of plugins and starter kits. It's also super simple to use along with modern CMSes like Ghost, Netlify, Contentful, Tina, etc.

> That's what it was developed for

React's official website recommends using Gatsby if you're building a static website.


I like it, but would you consider toning the color scheme a little down? Or maybe be a bit more sparing with color? The massive field of bright pink smacked me in the eyes when I opened it up. A good documentation theme should get out of the way so the reader can focus on the text rather than the colors.

That color is mostly a placeholder, and in the actual theme you'll be able to change the color scheme in the site configuration (without needing to touch CSS).

I agree that aesthetics are absolutely CRUCIAL and this will be a MAJOR focus of the project.

You can see this in action here: https://github.com/tract-docs/tract-docs.dev/blob/master/con....


“whatever looks like readthedocs” is good in my world.

I personally find RTD far too drab for my tastes but to each their own. If it works for you, run with it!

One dependency:

Anchor.js — Provides nice clickable/linkable anchors for Markdown content

Almost 6K minified to do something that the browser can do natively?... I know I've been out of frontend for almost three years but I'm still confused :D


The browser does it natively if you hand code it into every page and every sub heading. What the tool does is allow you to insert the script into any page and it will automatically create anchors for all the sub headings. This saves tons of time because you don’t have to do it manually (i.e. by inserting IDs in every H1, H2, etc.)

I mean sure, if you were writing the website by hand. But every markdown processor I've used is able to derive these from headlines. And everything you can do in JavaScript you can also do when generating the page in the first place if it's just a one time modifications of the page.

Markdown parsers can auto-generate IDs for headers but they don't create a nice icon next when you hover over the header. That's what Anchor.js is for. For an example, see this page: https://kubernetescommunitydays.org/organizing.

Those auto-generated anchors remind me of LaTeX references. You have to write the anchor IDs in manually ... but when you re-word your heading you don't suddenly break all of your links to it.

I know these, but there's also CSS so I don't understand why this needs JS..

If you know of an all-CSS solution, I'm all ears

I just configured VuePress ( https://vuepress.vuejs.org/ ) for our frontend project docs at work. Having statically built docs is great and having the ability to document your Vue code with Vue-enabled markdown is a great bonus.

Yep. Love the static approach. I haven't yet a use case for a React/Vue static generator but a lot of really powerful stuff is being built.

Related: for anybody looking for [another] great tool to create a documentation website, take a look at Antora[1]. It uses the Asciidoc/Asciidoctor toolchain.

[1]: antora.org


It also seems to support combining multiple Git repos to generate everything into one site which seems cool.

I love Hugo. My personal blog and my tech blog are both built with Hugo, with an extremely simple AWS deployment pipeline. I’ve been looking for a great documentation theme , but I haven’t found one to my liking yet (closest is maybe hugo-theme-book or hugo-theme-docuapi). If v0.1 is out by end of 2019 I’d love to test drive it for a project I’m planning out early 2020.

Sweet! Definitely stay tuned!

An example of a (somewhat) similar type of static documentation site theme, but for Jekyll, is a project I’ve been participating in[0]. Born primarily as a side effect of putting online the projects from Ribose Open, it’s somewhat idiosyncratic and (ironically) lacking its own site, but we’re getting there. It’s being actively dogdfooded[1].

[0] https://github.com/riboseinc/jekyll-theme-open-project

[1] See, for example, https://www.rnpgp.com/


Nice work! Very cool project. Love to see it.

This is an excellent idea. My workplaces have often used github or confluence for documentation, but they're slow, and offer limited customisation. Static site generators make a lot of sense for this use case.

Definitely. Confluence is fine for some use cases, but personally I'm strongly in favor of a version-controlled approach.

The line width (number of characters per line) is way too long. You should aim for 50-60 characters per line in a column for maximum legibility.

See (for example) this: https://practicaltypography.com/line-length.html


I've seen this rule stated in various ways, but it seems to always be a fixed value, which presumably is derived specifically for the information-density of the English language. Is there a resource on what this number should be for other languages with different information densities? (I can't imagine that you should have 60 characters of Chinese per line, for example.)

That's a great question. I don't know the answer, but I'm sure similar resources exist in languages with non-Roman writing systems.

Yeah, this is something I plan on playing with a bunch leading up to the alpha launch, potentially making this configurable.

My goto tool for documentation these days is mkdocs with material theme https://squidfunk.github.io/mkdocs-material/

Docsy doesn't break keyboard scrolling in Qutebrowser. Tract does not work for me at all. Also, while I'm sure it's configurable, the neon pink is burning my eyes in a dark room and constrasts terribly with bright white.

Could you say more about this? What exactly is broken about the experience in Tract? I have never heard of Qutebrowser.

You can see what's probably the same issue in Firefox/Chromium as well: You can't scroll e.g. https://tract-docs.dev/docs/getting-started/ with the keyboard without first clicking into the page.

Okay, I believe I've fixed this.

Doesn’t seem fixed to me. Also, it’s impossible to fix it in the current structure without JavaScript, because you need to either move the caret into the desired scrolling element (`getSelection().collapse(document.querySelector('.main'))`), or focus it (`document.querySelector('.main').focus()`, also requiring tabindex=-1 or similar on the element). From the presence of tabindex=1 on .main, I’m guessing you tried that one.

For a documentation thing like this, I’d generally recommend avoiding a separate scrolling pane for the primary content, but rather arranging so that it can use the document’s scrolling element. This gets the scrollbar in the place people generally expect it in web things, and makes it work regardless of whether the JS loads.


Do you by chance have an article or some info you could share on this? I'm way out of my depth here.

I don’t know of any good articles about the trade-offs of the various approaches, but I’ve started writing one myself. (I’m drafting a series on the intricacies of various UI patterns and their implementations, and this was actually already on my list.) Email me if you’d like me to drop you a line when I publish it (being realistic, expect to wait weeks for it).

Also, you win. I changed the color scheme.

That looks really nice! Recently had to create documentation for Prism OS (https://prismos.dev/docs) and I decided to use docusaurus since it seemed like the quickest way with sane defaults but it ended up taking way longer to setup everything before I could focus on writing the documentation. Is there a easy to use platform to quickly spin up documentation pages without coding ? That would also be really helpful since non technical support or content writing staff could then also contribute

Noticed on mobile when you click the menu button there is no way to return to the page.

Yes, I'm working on the navigation. Tract is currently pre-alpha and this will improve by leaps and bounds in the next few weeks.

A while ago I looked into all Hugo solutions for documentation and have to say this looks very clean and simple!

I'm still looking for something that let me define a top-root level index for documentation of several products (much like https://learn.adafruit.com/) but found none (also Jekyll-based). I rolled my own based on Hugo but my CSS-formatting and HTML-generating skills are those from a firmware developer :)


I am not familiar with Hugo but I watch out for documentation stuff.

How hard would it be for a casual user to add some search capabilities ? IMO, that's a key point to have.


Not so easy for a casual user. Building a nice interactive dropdown search widget (or something of the sort) requires solid JS chops and you need to know your way around Hugo to generate a search index. But others have done it and there are some good tutorials out there, so by all means give it a shot!

Thanks, I have been looking for a good HUGO theme for documentation.

I'm looking for something a bit more powerful than the Wiki bundled with GitLab (which uses Gollum). I started with MkDocs but moved it over to GitLab Wiki because I thought the instant feedback. I now have mixed feelings.

I've used Hugo in the past for a few sites, but the amount of boilerplate required, even though minimal, is a bit of a hurdle for an internal wiki.

Has anyone been here? Suggestions?


I've been using [mdBook](https://github.com/rust-lang/mdBook) for my wiki/documentation needs lately.

It's great, the directory structure is straightforward and even supports search (through lunr.js) out of the box.


We've started using mdbook [1] at work for our docs. It has search, it's customizable, and if you really need HTML in places you can do that inside your markdown to get the best of both worlds.

[1] https://github.com/rust-lang/mdBook


The article made me discover Docsy: https://www.docsy.dev/

For some reason the author dismissed it, but I personally find the project quite nice!


I'm just not a fan of the aesthetic and it isn't as feature rich as I plan on making Tract. But if Docsy works for you, I fully support that!

How convenient -- because DocuAPI has been refusing to work for me all week.

Thank you for your post, I like the theme and the idea of static generator creating the documentation.

How could anyone include search in these static sites? Is there any theme that could provide such functionality?


Fuse.js works great and is client-side. Hugo can generate the necessary JSON outputs and there is documentation on how to set it up on their website. Please let me know if you come across anything better.

Nice! I hadn't seen Fuse but it looks like a great option. I've used lunr.js on other projects and liked it but always open to explore new things.

I plan to offer several options for search (as covered in the blog post). Some existing themes provide search. YMMV.

For more Hugo themes, you can check out https://uicard.io

They have incredible themes


Looks fantastic. I already use Hugo for some other things. I'll keep an eye on this for documentation in some future projects.

Nice! How does this compare with docusaurus?

Docusaurus is a very nice tool but in my extensive experience React-based static site generators really suffer when building large sites, much like Jekyll does. I've worked on projects with well over 1,000 pages and Docusaurus, VuePress, and others simply don't have access to the jet engine that is well engineered Go. But if it works for you, run with it!

Someone mentioned mdBook, that thing is written in Rust and is amazingly fast even for huge sites.

https://github.com/rust-lang/mdBook


Good to know the difference. Thanks!

a. this looks awesome

b. if you're looking for a copy button for code blocks, I've seen it done (and done it myself) with some vanilla js.

c. the more vanilla js the better.

d. can you make code blocks have tabs for different languages?

e. this is awesome (did I mention that already).

f. I will find an excuse to use this.

g. I use ddg for my site search, but Google custom search works too, and is a bit easier to work with.


Do you know of any particularly good libs for copy buttons, code tabs, and the like? I've seen a few out there but they seem pretty subpar to me.



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