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[flagged] Police target CUHK university as it holds HKIX which routes 99% of net traffic (wikipedia.org)
42 points by larakerns on Nov 14, 2019 | hide | past | favorite | 27 comments



Most US outlets are not reporting on this part of the story of the siege of CUHK university.

If the police seize control of the university, they can monitor / filter all traffic. The whole city can go dark.


So please add a link or 2 that does talk about the story? The wikipedia link just describes the infrastructure.



Who are you, and why are you seeming to post these sources multiple times? This is pure conspiracy theory through "news" sources that have highly dubious credentials. HN shouldn't be fueling this kind of unsubstantiated speculation.


"If the police seize control of the university, they can monitor / filter all traffic. The whole city can go dark."

I don't think that is true at all - at least not for the last 15 years.

Almost everyone co-located in HK is in a totally different physical location than the University (such as iAdvantage or HKCOLO, near LOHAS Park) and have independent connections outbound to the world.

We, for instance, are physically located inside HKCOLO and have a direct connection to he.net in Fremont, CA. If you traceroute rsync.net in Hong Kong, you typically don't leave he.net.

I'm not sure how seizure (or even shutdown) of the University would affect infrastructure at iAdvantage or HKCOLO or Dyxian, etc.


The posting of this link with this title does not seem to adhere to HN guidelines, even though I see your intentions. I think it will soon be removed/moderated, but meanwhile, I did want to pose a technical question.

I feel that the monitoring of traffic is unlikely. To clarify, this is not about taking a pro-China side, but more on technical aspect. Most modern web traffic happens in some form of encryption (most commonly https/ssl) and some are end-to-end encrypted (various messenger apps). Filtering is certainly possible/likely (just like the great firewall), but monitoring seems difficult (in the case of https traffic) or impossible (in the case of end-to-end encryption... hopefully impossible at least?). There'd have to be hardware-level/low-level trojans planted in individual devices to make that possible. Which isn't to say it's unlikely (from what we've heard in the past few years), but only that it's unlikely to happen with just a hostage of HKIX.


China almost certainly has the ability to perform aggressive SSL interception given their investment in the great firewall. Almost all apps will either fall victim to it, or if they correctly use pinning, simply not load (and cause their users to swap to other apps).


The linked wiki page has nothing to do with the title.



Who are you, and why are you seeming to post these sources multiple times? This is pure conspiracy theory through "news" sources that have highly dubious credentials. HN shouldn't be fueling this kind of unsubstantiated speculation.


Epoch times is a newspaper created by the Falun Gong cult FYI.


They're still okay for anything not related to Falun Gong, I think.


I wouldn't be surprised if the domestic HK security services haven't already sunk their claws deep into this organization... Pretty much every pipe is being tapped in western countries and I'm sure in Asia too.

Of course explicitly controlling it and manipulating it is a bit different.

This is probably a better article than the Wikipedia:

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1269773/hong-kon...


It is suggested in the Hacker News guidelines that one does not editorialize the title of an article. The actual title of this Wikipedia article is "Hong Kong Internet Exchange."


True, but this seems like a reasonable exception, in that it provides context as to why post the link now.


I haven't found anything about police in the article.


Its why he posted the link. Not what the link is about.


Where is this conspiracy theory-level kind of news coming from? And who is making this correlation?



My god, what are we spreading here? This is pure conspiracy theory through "news" sources that have highly dubious credentials.

HN shouldn't be fueling this kind of unsubstantiated speculation.


> My god, what are we spreading here?

Putting aside whether or not the claims are true, why are you reacting as if this is particularly damaging or shocking? It's factual that Beijing does seek to censor and control information everywhere in China, and it's factual that they're currently attacking CUHK.


The only purpose of this "story" is just like the goals of Russian-fueled (or whoever) fake planted news -- to confuse and prevent people from having a clear understanding of what's going on.

You advocate for allowing unsubstantiated news to be spread just because it fits into your view of what China admittedly has done in the past?

Couldn't this story have been spread by the protestors to get people on their side with fake motivations?


> You advocate for allowing unsubstantiated news to be spread just because it fits into your view of what China admittedly has done in the past?

I didn't say that. My comment was about your reaction.

> your view of what China admittedly has done in the past?

My view? The past?

> Couldn't this story have been spread by the protestors to get people on their side with fake motivations?

That very well could be. And if so they should keep that up. A Beijing supporter being upset about fake news and propaganda is giving me the giggles.


I'm no Beijing supporter. I would hope that anyone, regardless of what they think about any country or place, respects that news should contain the truth and not open themselves up to manipulation regardless of which side it favors.


In that case you could have left out the "My god, what are we spreading here?" which seems overly dramatic to me.

You could also have substantiated "This is pure conspiracy theory through "news" sources that have highly dubious credentials." by expanding on what makes those news sources so dubious they deserve scare quotes, since not everyone will be familiar with them.

Attributing the actions of one user to the whole community as in "HN shouldn't be fueling this kind of unsubstantiated speculation." isn't great either.


I've read conflicting claims on this, but I don't have the expertise to judge. Some say much of HKIX is off-campus.


As listed in the #Facilities section of the Wikipedia article.




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