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It's perfect for my use case: Chrome but with all the google bits removed and built-in ad-blocking. Can't say any of those things you listed have bothered me. I don't use BAT.

Edit: Why do so many new accounts (green text) post to any thread about Brave?

It also has "built-in ad-adding".


That's opt-in. Maybe they should make that more obvious on that page.

> with all the google bits removed

well, except for the fact that it's still a chromium browser and google really sets the general agenda for all chromium browsers.

For those interested, we (I am a Brave employee) have the deviations (things we disable or patch out) from Chromium called out here: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Deviations-from-...

What do you mean by "general agenda"?

Google basically decides what to implement, what not to implement, what to deprecate.

For example the current controversial change: Google says "slow web is bad" and deprecates an API that allowed extensions to do almost unlimited work for any web page. Oops. Adblockers depended on that and did want to do almost unlimited work for any web page, and that wasn't a bug, but the API gets dropped, AIUI because Google wants performance. The reason doesn't matter though. Google gets to set the agenda, no matter what its reasons are.

I'm not sure if that's what the person I was asking meant by "general agenda", considering the change you're talking about (Manifest v3) doesn't even affect Brave[0], or any other Chromium based browser that simply doesn't wish to implement that specific change. Chromium based browsers change their code all the time, and decide whether or not incoming changes will be fully adopted by their browser themselves.


Any divergence from upstream means

    a) ongoing cost of merging
    b) security updates delayed because of merging.
This means that there is a limit to how much any fork can allow itself to diverge. They will have to pick their battles and accept the least-worst.

It's possible the limit is high enough that it wont be a problem in practice though.

Same here - I don't want extensions or complexity on mobile, just a simple, fast browser with and blocking. Brave is perfect for me on mobile.

On desktop I browse differently, and use extensions, so Firefox with uBlock Origin works perfectly for me on desktop

I was thinking the same. I considered Vivaldi for some time but it was just buggy. That's a shame because now that Chrome is going to release manifest v3, many users will look for alternatives. Vivaldi has had years to polish their UI but they have missed the train. Eventually I'll settle with Brave, I think.

I used Vivaldi for a long time and never encountered many UI bugs. About a year ago I switched to Firefox mainly because I don't want Chromium to take over the world.

What I miss most using Firefox is the ability to customize almost everything.

I used Vivaldi for about six months. I loved many aspects of the UI, which I found innovative and highly configurable. But it was so slow!

I tried both Vivaldi and Brave and ended up with Brave because it is open source.


ungoogled-chromium A lightweight approach to removing Google web service dependency

ungoogled-chromium is Google Chromium, sans dependency on Google web services. It also features some tweaks to enhance privacy, control, and transparency (almost all of which require manual activation or enabling).

ungoogled-chromium retains the default Chromium experience as closely as possible. Unlike other Chromium forks that have their own visions of a web browser, ungoogled-chromium is essentially a drop-in replacement for Chromium.

> Edit: Why do so many new accounts (green text) post to any thread about Brave?

There's a pretty ridiculous amount of astroturfing going on in these comments.

This comment breaks the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Would you please review them and stick to the rules when posting here? Gratuitous insinuation about astroturfing is probably the most toxic of the common internet poisons, and it's important not to spread that unless you have some specific evidence for thinking so—and in that case you should email hn@ycombinator.com so we can look into it.

Note, however, that accounts posting opposing views on a topic doesn't count as evidence of astroturfing—only evidence that people have opposing views on the topic, which is the most routine of internet forum facts.

Lots more explanation: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=by:dang%20astroturf&sort=byDat....

And if you want a browser with all the brave parts taken out of it you can use dissenter https://dissenter.com/download

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