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So should developers be doing all their own ops work in a half-assed, ignorant way, or should we go back to a world of throw it over the wall systems where the ops team doesn't understand the code or have a working non-adversarial relationship with the developers?

Because I've lived with both, and to hell with both of them.

this is the old issue of dev and ops having different goals in terms of their jobs. Ops wants stability because uptime and a non disrupting service is paramount, devs want velocity because they need to push new features to market.

It's a delicate balance to strike, especially considering having a product with a ton of features but lackluster stability doesn't get you anywhere, and neither does having a super stable product that lacks basic features.

"move fast and break things" doesn't work in a lot of sectors. It might work for an internet startup, but good luck applying that principle to fields like large infrastructures and datacenters.

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