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The Myth of the Nazi War Machine (notesonliberty.com)
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As did the program that developed the B-29 Superfortress (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-29_Superfortress), the plane that dropped the Manhattan Project’s atomic bombs on Japan.

Big defense projects are expensiiiiiiive.


And then after the war ended the US rushed in to get access to as many of the mythical Nazi scientists powering the mythical Nazi war machine as possible.


Yes. It's known as the Operation Paperclip:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

The Soviets had such an operation of their own:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim


What a terrible article. Sure they manage to mention that logistically Germany was in a terrible place, but half the "facts" aren't. Made up chest thumping seems to describe it most accurately.

"outdated Hurricanes than they were the newer Spitfire" Um, no the Hurricane was not outdated. It was about as new as the Spit, used the same marks of Merlin and Griffon engines as the Spit, and was in fact a more stable gun platform. Key point, Hurricanes were far quicker to build than the more manoeuvrable Spit. Even after the Supermarine shadow factories were up to speed. Simply put Hurricanes and Mosquitoes were far easier to put together. All three had far better visibility than equivalent German fighters that this article manages to miss entirely.

Then they entirely miss the point of V2.

"V2 was more sophisticated, but was never mass produced: only 3,000 were launched" Had Hitler not overridden the use of V2, 3,000 might have been plenty. V2 was intended to be surface to air against Lancs and Forts. Not horribly overpriced very low capacity bomber replacement.

"May-June 1943 only sank two ships for every U-boat lost, ending the Battle of the Atlantic"

WHAT? OK, this section is jingoistic made-up nonsense. Battle of the Atlantic continued until May 1945. Read bloody Wikipedia or any respectable history from any participant. Enigma decrypts neutered some of the U boat impact as did mostly the Mark 5 Sunderlands and the few Liberators - that were only ever available to Coastal Command in very limited numbers.

Funny no mention of the US's reluctance to even adopt convoys, appearing almost as reluctant as they had in WW1.

Sevastopol and Stalingrad did not forget blitzkreig. Did you forget what you wrote only a dozen paragraphs earlier? The Nazis had terrible logistics, under-mechanisation and limited fuel. What were the length of supply lines around Sevastopol and Stalingrad? Bliztkreig required the spearhead be mechanised and well supplied.

Enough. I give up. :)


U-boats continued sailing right up till the end of the war, but after suffering huge losses in 1943’s “Black May” (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_May_(1943)) they stopped challenging the North Atlantic convoys directly. Merchant tonnage sunk dropped precipitously at that point. After mid-1943 the U-boats were an annoyance to the Allies, not an existential threat.


The Battle of the Atlantic was sheer war of attrition and tonnage. The Allies were pouring far more in at the top by 43, with the expectation that some would get through. The strength of numbers of the long range Sunderland 5s - that started replacing the III in 44, Beaufighters, and Mossies meant they were far more effective, particularly out in Biscay. German effectiveness declined really only from 44 on - there was a pretty major and effective U boat campaign in late 43 going into the winter. It just wasn't as effective as the previous year.


Hear Hear. Did it at least mention that English scientists with help from allies, produced the work that demonstrated that the atom bomb was possible? Maybe if the Nazis had it handed to them, then they would have developed the bomb instead!


There's a fascinating but gruesome story behind why so many V2 rockets misfired. This kept me up at night after I first read it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun

TLDR the Nazis used slave labor to build V2s, and then the USA hired the slave masters (and ensures they didn't stand trial at Nuremberg)


That is truly morally ambiguous, but wasting his intellect would not put man on the moon.

So its the matter of valuation (quite impossible task), but then again when a plane crashes someone has to calculate how much your relatives' life were worth to pay compensation.

That's probably the logic behind what happen to nazi scientists. They were worth more alive then dead (also both sides were hunting for them not just USA).


I agree it's not cut and dry.

However, we cannot be sure we wouldn't have reached the moon or achieved other great things without Operation Paperclip. It's not like all the rocket scientists were Nazi elites. E.g. Goddard was American.


Yes I agree absolutely, but its undeniable that they accelerated current efforts both soviet and us.


Germans were delusional, it's correct. They expected the British empire and the USA to join the Axis through political means and fight communism alongside them. A long war was never an option for them. How naive. In 1941 Rudolf Hess even took a plane alone to fly to the UK to try and convince the British lords to join the Axis. One of the most surrealistic thing they did. Incredible.


At the time, things were not as clear cut as they are in hindsight, 80 years later. In 1941, while Hess was flying to Scotland to try to negotiate peace with Britain, Jewish fascists (Lehi) were trying to negotiate an alliance with Nazi Germany. This also sounds delusional in hindsight, and indeed they got ignored by Nazis. But it kind of makes sense if you consider that they were trying to get Germany to fight Britain, which at the time was occupying Palestine (to some extent this also explains why Hitler enjoyed some support in Arab countries).


Except that King Edward VIII was a known Nazi Sympathizer. If he hadn't abdicated the throne things could have been much different.


Erm the monarch held no power as head of state during the war years - the few remaining symbolic powers were just that - symbolic. Victoria was the last to actually use one after she was essentially backed into a corner by Palmerston not naming a replacement PM, despite months of avoiding in parliament. That was the mid 1850s.

Now, had you mentioned that a good proportion of the pre-war Tory party were Nazi sympathisers you might be on to something. Notably including Halifax who was offered the premiership before Churchill, after Chamberlain resigned.


'could' exactly. That's the definition of delusion.




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