Intangibles like brand, design, experience, feeling, handling etc are often just as if not more important. For example no Porsche Taycan buyer is ever going to choose a Model 3/S just because it has a few extra kilometres of range.
I think that's why the incumbents are having a hard time. They want to make an electric version of what they already have. It's probably easier to produce an EV that was designed to be electric from the start. If that's the case, the problem may be one of commitment. Tesla is committed - they only make electric cars.
And are in fact now being shared amongst the various groups as standardised architectures e.g. Porsche/Audi, Polestar/Volvo, Rivian/Ford.
Would you be willing to expand on this? The reason I ask is that there are plenty of ex-Porsche (and ex-BMW) owners over at TMC and /r/teslamotors. Are they the minority, or are the brand loyalists the minority?
Tesla has a large advantage in this that is at least partially in house (judging from their willingness to expand production from Panasonic to LG and now CATL).
2. You completely missed the point. Porsche drivers aren't looking for an economical car just as Hyundai drivers probably won't find much use for a dash stopwatch.
We know the answer for the Tesla because people do it every day, across many combinations of states. How far you can drive on a single charge means a lot less in practice than how far you can drive in a reasonable amount of time while charging at real, plentiful Supercharger stations.
Audi e-tron over 1000km: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFu9pkpunuo
Hyundai Kona over 1000km: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsEdAq4N_WU
Hyundai Kona halfway across the US: https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/dr1gzm/i_...
The Porsche Taycan could do what the Kona did but faster: https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2019/products/porsche-taycan...
Taycan covering 3,425km in 24 hours straight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jSG_10_JRg
How far can the Model S go in 24 hours straight?
Since you are linking Bjørn Nyland Youtube videos including the Kona. Why not include the one below?
"Model 3 WORLD RECORD 2781 km in 24h - full video:
A real world example, not a marketing video on a closed circular track with a factory crew and dedicated onsite fast charger. Bjørn's tests are on open roads (with detours and colder climate) more like a cannonball run.
There's a video of him addressing this:
Don't be a sad case.
> 2781 km in 24h
So.. less then. And not a Model S but a Model 3. Too bad.
> A real world example
Just like the others then.
Let's see.. 2781km > 1000km in 24 hrs or real world driving. You cannot dispute basic math.
> Just like the others then.
Again.. The Taycan video you linked was on a:
1. Closed circular track (Nardò Ring)
2. With a factory crew with engineers
3. Dedicated onsite fast charger
4. Ideal Italian hot weather. EV's fare better in hot compared to cold climate.
1. Bjørn's tests that are on open roads
2. With detours
3. Colder climate
4. Had to slow down due to heavy rain.
Sorry but you fell for a marketing hype.. Link me a video of the Taycan doing that and I will eat a humble pie.
> And not a Model S but a Model 3. Too bad.
The Model S can now do 373mi compared to 322mi on the Model 3. You honestly think (without any bias) that the Model S won't fare better?
2781km is less than 3,425km. Show me a Model S doing more than the Taycan in 24 hours.
> You honestly think (without any bias) that the Model S won't fare better?
So it should be easy for you to provide an example of the Model S covering more distance than the Taycan in 24 hours. Show it to me.
But don't worry about it. Elon Musk says the Model S is of minor importance anyway:
The practical range-based use cases are way more meaningful, and they're proved out every day by real world Tesla owners doing normal things.
But it is nice to see these proof of concept demonstrations with other EVs. I think it's been a few years since a Tesla going from Niagara Falls to NYC warranted a press release.
You should follow your own advice. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You know a "real" open roads and not some marketing stunt in a circular track with a a 100 person support team with an onsite charger.
Any rational person would know that's a big difference. But you clearly are not so I'm not expecting much from you.
Also, Porsche owners absolutely do care about range, but that's a different argument all together.
The short history of EV market has plenty of vehicles that tried to up sell the je ne sais quoi factor, and were met with buyer indifference.
Their long time partner Nissan is facing troubles too:
And there's a new revision of the Zoe coming out soon:
Having electric vehicles in the range is a way to meet the quota even if they don't sell really well.
If a car manufacturer actually makes and registers low-emission cars just to keep the average of their fleet down, there's not really a point in just having them sit around collecting dust, so they might as well sell them.
Compare this to the ridiculous fiat 500e at barely 2k sold...
I think that was due to a fire that happened and the reliability was lower than their diesel counterparts (I think it was 90%, compared to 98%). Very sad about that they are gone again.
We see a lot of Teslas here. It was pretty hyped and you had to wait a long time to get one. I don't believe that the unilateral market dominance of Tesla will be kept on the current level to be honest.
In recent days you see more and more smaller city cars.
This is only really true for well-maintained cars. As soon as you have a few lorries, old vans, purposely loud motorbikes, etc. it becomes complete rubbish.
Tesla isn't going to have much of an advantage in batteries for quite some time until their Maxwell R&D acquisition pays off.
GM, VAG, and the other traditional manufacturers are still playing catch up, and outside of maybe VAG will probably be playing catch up for a long time.
Source? They were only rumors this summer that Tesla could be provided cells by CATL in the future. I couldn't find a report that says it's been the case already.
You're also starting to see a lot of concern about the economic/social impact that electrification is going to have - it's mentioned in the linked article, but electric vehicles require a lot less labor to manufacture. Assuming that the traditional players in this industry even survive the switch to electric vehicles, you're going to see a lot of layoffs as all of this plays out.
But I'm confused...
why do Tesla's cars take so much more man hours to manufacture than other cars then? If electric cars take less labor and everybody knows that Tesla is lightyears ahead of all those dinosaur traditional manufacturers, wtf are Tesla's employees spending their time on?
US example: only around 300k people are employed by GM, Ford, and Crystler (excluding the rest of FCA). Let's assume that the total figure rises to 1m once you account for everyone employed by foreign manufacturers in the US, Tesla, &c.
Another 7m people are directly (component manufacturers) or indirectly (e.g., dealers) employed by companies in or who are associated with the US automotive sector.
A non trivial number of jobs in the 1m bucket are going to be lost over the next decade because of electrification. A much larger number and percentage of jobs are going to be lost in the 7m bucket over the same time frame.
Think component suppliers. Electric cars require a lot less parts, which is going to hurt component suppliers & the people who work for them a lot.
They wanted to move fast. Very fast. Human labor is quicker "ready to work". Robots needed to be designed, ordered, produced, shipped, tested, reprogrammed etc before they are ready.
And at the end of the day, if it is easy, repeatible work. Humans are not that expensive. (for the flexibility they offer)
Tesla made a profit of $143 million in Q3 2019 alone. Yet Uber still haven't.
Are they not mass market cars ?
Hyundai Kona is outselling every Tesla model combined in some EU countries so I would consider them mass market.
Kona sales in Europe in 2019 so far is 77,641 , but the electric version is likely tiny because Hyundai only sold 2,424 fully electric cars in June 2019. Across all models! Less than one percent of their total number 
Tesla has sold 75,959 in Europe in 2019 
How do I know this? Because I would have bought one (so technically they've have sold at least one more!) but it's a 12 month lead time right now. They even briefly removed the option a few months ago to order from their website - it may be back now but I think it doesn't mention the delay in getting the car.
The turning point really is here for a lot of us with driveways.
EDIT - nope it's still un-orderable. Just the link to join the waiting list.
Model 3 alone is outselling all other EVs in EU even with the logistical constraint of having to ship them by sea.
> Question is If these misleading articles/statements are ethical?
The worlds media are quite unburdened by ethics.
Maybe. They're being investigated for battery fires:
Telsa has reduced the battery capacity of some Model S's and X's. There's a class action in progress to at least clarity the reduction in capacity and get some kind of remedy from Tesla. If Tesla has done it for safety reasons and not reported that to the NHTSA then Tesla could be in for some fines:
No, they aren't: https://twitter.com/VGrinshpun/status/1191187275394228226
The NHTSA did not open an investigation. They asked Tesla some data for analysis, and they will determine if facts corroborate the petition's claim. They may open an investigation at some point but they have not.
C/D, Reuters and the LA Times know that, but for some reason, they prefer sensationalism to journalism.
So you're saying they're investigating if further investigation is warranted? Wow, man.
Wait for the 15th of December. The "non-investigation" will have reported back by then.
"@russ1mitchell of LA Times wrote the article in which he claimed that NHTSA launched investigation into Tesla fires, later changing “investigation” to probe.
This is FALSE. NHTSA initiated analysis of the Petition and rebuked Russ Mitchell for disinformation."
Yes, which is not an investigation. They're only conducting an analysis of the petition and asked Tesla for data. They have not opened an investigation, but you already know this if you're listening.
I also dug more into this and the Twitter thread contains the most factual info instead of speculation.