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This made me laugh. I'm currently in High School and we use GSuite (we also used GSuite in elementary/middle school for that matter), but am not 100% if we use Gaggle, but even if we did:

Once kids come into HS/Middle School at least now in 2019/2020, most if not all use personal emails and external chatting apps (most likely Messenger if not Instagram Messages or Snapchat). Compounded with psuedonyms, it's hard for any AI to determine who's chatting who... and even if FB/Snap knew who it was, I'm somewhat certain they wouldn't do anything.

However, in Elementary school, email and Hangouts was the way to go (experience from siblings and myself around 5 years ago), so I guess Gaggle's "AI" can determine if elementary and some middle school kids are a "threat".

Regardless, kids nowadays are really into "self-deprecating jokes": "I want to KMS" or other abusive/harmful messages which a good majority use as jokes (in my experience) although they don't have any wrong intentions. I think any AI or NLP model to determine which is a credible threat and which isn't will be extremely hard to tell, even for humans who aren't teens.




> Compounded with psuedonyms, it's hard for any AI to determine who's chatting who... and even if FB/Snap knew who it was, I'm somewhat certain they wouldn't do anything.

It's hard for a human to determine who's chatting who, but not impossible. It'd just take too much attention away from other more important things like teaching.

Getting an AI to determine who's chatting who? It's a lot easier than you think. I recommend you read everything Snowden's released. Or watch Joe Rogan's podcast-interview with him.

Your phone goes with you when you go places. That is literally all that is needed to determine who's chatting who, particularly with using Facebook or Snapchat or TikTok or whatever spyware kids mistake for trendy social apps these days.

> even if FB/Snap knew who it was, I'm somewhat certain they wouldn't do anything.

Maybe, maybe not. You don't know the laws in your country. Even if you did know the laws in your country, people and businesses break laws all the time.

You might not yet see the danger is selling an advertisement to you. I highly recommend you pay attention in any psychology or statistics classes you have.


The students at my school used to joke and say KMS and KYS all the time, too... until one of those kids actually did. And then they stopped saying that to each other almost over night.

Sometimes you are joking, but the person you are joking with isn't. Think about that next time you jokingly tell someone to KYS because they got a 65 on a quiz.


You're implying that an environment where people don't jokingly reference suicide would have led to a better outcome. Is there evidence for this?


So you have evidence that telling people to kill themselves is safe?


I remember at some neighboring school this happened and teachers and students moved on like nothing happened since the school was so competitive.


Excellent! So hopefully this means that it's not desensitizing kids to surveillance, just teaching them how to avoid it since they know it's there.

Good times.


Haven't been in school for a while but this was my first thought. Kids social lives exist far from the realm of the Official School Account™️


> Compounded with psuedonyms, it's hard for any AI to determine who's chatting who

Just so you know, they don’t use the AI to determine who is who, just the context of the text. They know exactly who is who despite pseudonyms because of device IDs and tracking cookies and all the rest. The “who is who” is the easy part.


You're assuming the AI in question has access to such information. A state actor might, but not random company XYZ. It's certainly possible, but I doubt this company is equipped to do so; there's not an easy way to show the school what additional value this provides. Unless they could find a way to "sell it", such a capability would cost the company significantly more likely for no additional revenue.


The "random company" is running the software the users are using. They are hooked into the account management system.


I'm a high school student as well, I can confirm what Surya (what’s the chance I’d bump into you on a random HB thread ;) ) is saying.

NLP stuff is pretty advanced with things like BERT and T5, but even then, I imagine that doing accurate threat detection will be hard for nns




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