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It's not like we are sacrificing lives to get there. Data shows that, at the margin, Autopilot prevents more accident than it causes.

So, the headline of the article is wrong IMO, but in the article the author makes the correct points.




What data shows this? Has there been a public release of sufficient amount of data to support your claim?

Tesla Autopilot has driven in total 1.6 billion miles on highways, in clear conditions, in modern high-crash-safety cars. There have been 3 fatalities.

The equivalent number for 1.6 billion miles across all road types, all weather conditions and all types of vehicles would be 22 deaths in the US. But in the UK that number would only be 8, illustrating that safety is tightly linked with road conditions and vehicle demographics.

As the Autopilot is only used in the easiest conditions and safest cars, there is simply not enough statistics to say whether they are safer or not.

You would have to collect data on a single version of the system for half a decade before you could say anything certain.


Exactly the data you cited. I agree that we need more data, but it does seem that we're not "sacrificing lives" to get autonomous driving to work, does it?


It does not. The expected number of deaths for 1.6bn miles in expensive cars in perfect driving conditions is probably 0, Tesla had 3.


For comparison, drivers in Los Angeles county drive 1.6 billion miles before 9a this morning.

Congratulations, Tesla had almost a morning worth of driving data.

And yet somehow with all that data they can't make a car that can drive itself in a parking lot.


I asked a question on Twitter a few weeks/months ago, and didn't receive a very good answer:

At what point do we have enough data?


To be honest: probably at around 50 billion miles driven with a single version of the autonomous system without any fatalities. That would be a milestone where you could say without a doubt "we've made a leap change to car safety".

The gold standard for other safety critical systems like medical devices, commercial aviation etc. is less than one fatality per billion operating hours. 50 mph avg gets you 50 billion miles. A vision for car safety that doesn't approach this level isn't much to write home about, it would in fact be difficult to distinguish from just waiting 15 years to let the statistics incorporate the safety systems that already exist today.


According to Wikipedia there were 1.16 fatalities per 100 vehicle miles traveled in 2017. Why do you say autonomous cars need to be over 50x safer to be better than human drivers?

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...

Edit: Forgot to add year.


Because that number is averaged over all types of vehicles, in all types of weather conditions. It includes people crashing in their '95 Honda Civic. It includes people forgetting to look over their shoulder when switching lanes. Crash survivability and "non-smart" safety features like blind spot warning has increased significantly the past ten-fifteen years. Just waiting until most of the old cars on the road today are replaced with newer ones will yield a 5x to 10x improvement, if we keep the human drivers, assuming no new tech at all.

For instance the UK is already below 0.5 fatalities per 100 million vehicle miles. Car demographics matter a lot.

So if autonomous is going to give us a significant improvement, it has to be something like 50x better than the average for humans today.


Interesting. Do you have statistics for more modern cars only that are comparable to a Tesla (without the Autopilot features obviously)?

PS: I meant 100 million miles in my comment above as you probably assumed :-)


It's kinda hard to get those statistics, as new cars havent been driven that long, yet!

But you can probably get a good estimate from extrapolating the red curve in this plot using a power law:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...

Also you can look at the safest countries worldwide, compared to the US, to get a feel for what's achievable with today's tech. Looks like Norway is the safest, with 4x better safety statistics than the US. That's probably a combination of better drivers education and safer vehicles, so not straight forward to compare. So really, you would need something like a 50x improvement over current US rates for it to be a notable achievement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-r...




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