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Not surprising. The new Podcasts app deleted years of downloaded podcasts when I updated, including a lot that are no longer hosted on the web. For some reason the "sensible default" in the new app is to delete anything beyond the most recent ten episodes. Now I need to remember to restore from backup before it gets overwritten, heh.



> For some reason

Giving you the other side of this: Podcasts was essentially a disk-space-leak made app, if you subscribed to any podcasts that you never actually listened to (but still listened to others, and therefore regularly opened the app.) It would just pile up new unplayed episodes forever, eventually taking up tens of GBs of space, on a device that doesn't have all that much space to spare.


> It would just pile up new unplayed episodes forever

AKA exactly the desired behavior.


Humans are forgetful, sometimes it’s nice to have machines help us organize things.


'organize' != 'delete'


Option 1: Fix the leak, i.e. the download strategy.

Option 2: BURN IT ALL.

Guess which one I don't want my apps to ever do.


Doesn't excuse user data loss


He didn't say it was an excuse, though; he just provided another perspective that may explain why Apple made the new Podcasts app that way.


Why wouldn't it prompt or inform during the upgrade or before they were deleted though?


If you have 'Automatic Downloads' enabled in iTunes, which pre-downloads any new tracks you add to your Apple Music library (as opposed to streaming them), a similar thing happens if you're subscribed to any playlists that update frequently.

For example, Apple themselves have a stack of playlists for different genres that are updated on a weekly basis, so after a few months you end up with a ton of downloaded files for songs that are no longer in your library (because they've been rotated out of the playlists).

Problem is, because they're not in your library there's nothing surfaced in the UI, so there's actually no way to know that it doesn't clean up after itself until you go to investigate why you have no disk space.

No idea if this behaviour has survived the transition to Music.app, but considering it seems to just be iTunes with a fresh coat of paint, it wouldn't surprise me.


That's a piss poor excuse. Never assume; at a minimum ask! I have many podcasts saved that as the OP points out, are no longer publicly available. A few are now locked behind a paywall but many others aren't available - period.


Apple always knows better. Even if you think you know what you want, you don't, actually. Because Apple knows better.

At least with Windows, Microsoft will never intentionally delete or cause user data to disappear. Bugs have happened (the one where files in the original Documents folder after relocating to a new location would be deleted was pretty bad), but it usually results in an apology, delaying further rollout of the patch and a fix for the issue. Instead of pretending "it's best for our users, they never should've put stuff there in the first place".


Easily solved by a notification on first use after updating which asks if you want the new default.


Oof! Thanks for the warning. I care about my podcast archives and I suppose this means I should figure some alternative out. I think most podcast apps don’t bother keeping the downloads around long-term.


An update that deletes emails is "not surprising"? I respectfully disagree.




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