Street drugs have always had problems with contaminants, whatever kinds of drugs they are. Unfortunately prohibition and black markets tend to lead to this sort of problem.
The guy that died in Oregon was using a legal vape from a regulated dispensary.
News publications do a disservice by over-playing the danger, and not differentiating between thc and tobacco, or street products and regulated thc and large nationwide brands like juul. But I don't think you can fully write this off yet either. I'm personally still avoiding vaping for the time being.
The process of extracting and concentrating THC can also extract and concentrate this pesticide.
Imidacloprid is another pesticide with harmful effects that has been found on cannabis, but seems to be toxic itself (rather than it's byproducts)
There are multiple issues being conflated (flavored vapes advertised to minors, vapes causing deaths) and kneejerk reactions from governments are occurring because they are not being paid off enough by the companies selling similar products.
On one hand it seems ridiculous to me when I read that the FDA is investing Juul for advertising to minors citing the fact that their ads included "bright colors" and young adult models as evidence of that. That's very clearly bullshit, and we wouldn't hold anyone else to that insane standard.
On the other hand, it also seems insane that the tobacco industry knew their product was both addictive and killing people, and that they lied about that for decades even spending massive amounts of money trying to intentionally mislead people into thinking otherwise, but instead of jailing executives and breaking up companies like Philip Morris/Altria we just let them continue to go on killing people for profit with barely a slap on the wrist.
I'd say that given their actions, the tobacco industry doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt, that everything they do should be considered first in the worst possible light, and that we'd be crazy not to question their motives at every opportunity.
I just can't bring myself to be sympathetic to the industry now even when I can see how people are overreacting. I realize there are new players in the game today, and entire secondary industries are getting caught up in the whole vaping thing too, but at the same time, anyone working anywhere near the tobacco industry should expect it. If we'd gone after them properly instead of letting them off the hook for 40 years of lies and countless deaths maybe I'd feel differently, but here we are.
Governments are banning Juuls overnight and not cigarettes. Even with Altria - an incumbent - as an investor it isnt preventing this curbstomping.
The relative morality is my main point.
You are talking about the entire nicotine/tabacco industry and that plays into this as well but its not really the point here. Yes theyve slithered into our society and nothing is going to be done about that. But the observation with e-cigs just highlights how fast anything could be done, which is sad.
Well, on one hand I don't like feeling manipulated and this feels like manipulation with the media being disingenuous by blaming vaping itself for some bad black market products and constantly fear mongering for views and clicks. For months there have been literal protests going on against vaping. I seriously question if they're being paid. I don't know how vaping could possibly be what drives people to take to the streets in anger over everything else that's been going on. It's all a bit sketchy how strongly they've been beating anti-vape messages into our heads. And I don't even have a reason to be oversensitive to it, I don't vape. If the entire vaping industry died off tomorrow I wouldn't be impacted in the slightest.
It is the tobacco industry however and whatever comes, they pretty much have it coming to them. I can't really feel bad if the new fun cool way to consume their product is being bullied. Vaping solves a lot of issues people have with cigarettes. It's less stinky, tastes better, and is far more discrete (very important these days when people can't light up anywhere). I know some people think they are the ones behind the anti-vape movement, but if vaping dies the tobacco industry will suffer for it.
I wonder if we could do some sort of blood test to make sure non-smokers don't get easy access to nicotine vapes.
After trying a bunch of flavors I got high, low, and no nicotine juices of the same flavor. Then over the course of a year an a half I mixed in less and less nicotine. Substituting around two drops of the higher for the lower every week.
One day I just put it down because it was a hassle and most importantly I wasn't addicted any more. It was that easy.
I still smoke 1 or 2 cigarettes a month when the mood is right in a social setting, but I will never buy a pack of cigarettes again.
The industry needs to be regulated, not outright banned.
This is the main part that I'm concerned about personally. There is a local place i go to back when i lived in the states where they would craft the juice for me on the spot, so I had peace of mind the juice was ok. But all of the coils were manufactured in china, and if manufacturers there were fine with tainted baby formula that killed infants, then nothing else has the guarantee of being safe.
Ah, I wasn't addicted, I was dedicated. It all makes sense now.
If by investigate into cause" you mean "wait for the legislature to figure out a way to tax them to bring in the kind of money we're used to getting from cigarette taxes"
If it were primarily about safety they would be talking about manufacturing standards and regulations and testing (like it is with every other product consumers want), not about banning.
But I wholeheartedly agree with regulatory testing and compliance like any other drug.
Dodd Frank was partially repealed last year
Industrial hemp production was also unbanned last December
Oh, forgot the other big one, restriction on embryonic stem cell research in 2009.
A number of types of transactions Americans might make involving Cuba were unbanned in 2016.
I suppose high school kids will just go back to smoking Swisher Sweets and chewing flavored Skoal pouches...
I don't really see how any of this is a positive direction.
“Think of the children” has been used to justify so many things from alcohol prohibition to prohibition of short selling stocks.
You can start here, this WaPo article talks about the contaminant, Vitamin E Acetate aka alpha-Tocopherol acetate, an ester of Vitamin E and acetic acid.
The PubChem article on this compound, first aid section recommends inhalation should be ceased ASAP. Also scroll down to the firefighting section, which recommends a respirator with an organic vapor/acid gas cartridge. This is because of the caustic nature of the compound when vaporized.
This article details finding from The Mayo Clinic that the lung tissue studies revealed chemical burns.
Obviously not conclusive, but also not a completely bizarre supposition that inhaling a substance that breaks down into a mild acid when vaporized might cause chemical burns.
Stopping the sale of the legitimate product, that does go through testing and quality control, because there is counterfeit and black market product out there fucking people up, is not going to reduce the supply of the questionable off-brand product.
We've done this enough times now, we should know what is going to happen.
They might bust a couple of stores as an example, but give it a few days at most and you'll be able to get the under the description "personal steam heater" or something similar (e.g. the "interlocking block toy" lego knockoffs) - there are indices mapping keywords to brands to help facilitate this .