edit: It is shameful to HN that this is flagged. This is an act of genocide.
It's almost like Russia has some sort of influence over the President of the USA.
Against ISIS, the US and Russia cooperated as well, but this does not make them allies either who should rush to each other’s defense.
Maybe in 5-10 years they'll leverage guilt of our inaction in Rojava to justify invading some other country.
I'm not saying this is uninteresting, but I think it's a good idea to have clarity on what should be relevant on HN and what shouldn't.
Aside from this being politically and potentially ethnically/religiously divisive...it is historical. You have Turkey invading Syria to use force against a militia funded/armed/trained by the US. In response the US President took to Twitter to essentially say go in and kill everyone, we have no interest...meanwhile another politician from the same party took to Twitter to tell Turkey not to go into Syria, because, well the US Congress hasn't authorize them to.
Its ridiculous and important, but goes to show while people are dying in armed conflict, for which we are in some ways responsible, our highest political leaders are taking to Twitter.
Though in the past it may not be as private as you might think...the United States Senate has spittoons spread across the Senate Chamber as they are considered a Senate tradition. That tradition consisted of the Senators getting so drunk during sessions they used to throw up in those spittoons as they were deciding the fate of the plebs.
This story probably won't be on the front page for long.
So, run your virus checker, don't open emails from unexpected senders with weird attachments, and please, for the love of god, stop voting in russian spies for public office.
Sometimes dang makes exceptions, and this seems like a good candidate.
Turkey was invited to be a NATO member (and accepted) due to Cold War fear of the USSR, and historic conflicts with Russia. So NATO overlooked Turkey's shortcomings in the interest of realpolitik, and Turkey played nicer in the interest of NATO's reputation.
The Red Scare and later having millions of loyal voters inside Western Europe are very good playing cards though, and Turkey knows that Europe hates conflict and won't ever go beyond uttering concern.
Assuming you're American, imagine if Native Americans were to form a separatist organisation with 10,000s of civilian casualties (both kurdish and turkish) over decades. And then imagine if the people has interpreted your actions against this particular group as "genocide". How would you feel?
Start a war, search for enemies: force newspapers talks about something else.
My understanding is that the tremendous power given to the Executive is balanced by the Legislative. But I cannot believe that the Republicans in the House and Senate are supporting the White House in good faith I'm pretty convinced they're playing a metagame, largely about keeping their jobs, keeping their power, worrying about re-election and the 2020 election. So, to me, that system is broken and there is nobody stopping the President from acting like a King.
I used to say to my wife that if he ever did anything completely off limits, that would be it. But clearly I'm wrong. So my joke years ago about the U.S. annexing part of Canada the way Russia did with Ukraine is not insane anymore. Clearly nothing needs to make sense for Trump. And the Americans in congress are spineless cowards.
I also don't think any of this is appropriate for Hacker News. But I don't social media and I'm angry and scared.
Trump simply supported that position in his campaign, and lo and behold, what happens a matter of weeks after the US has both a president and a House leadership that have said bombing Assad for using chemical weapons is not in the US's interests?
Assad uses chemical weapons, because why wouldn't he, and Trump ends up bombing him for it anyway. Meanwhile about a hundred civilians, including a hospital full of children, die.
Now I'm a UK citizen, so I sympathise. The US is in an unenviable position. Nobody in the US deserves to carry the can for any of this. Nevertheless, this is the world we live in and it's the job leading politicians sign up for. Moral, responsible leadership matters.
I'm a Reagan-Thatcher era lifelong conservative voter. I supported the second Gulf War, I still think it's up in the air whether that was the right thing to do. The status quo back then was also horrible and arguably breaking the deadlock with Saddam was worth attempting. But I've had it with modern US Republicanism. It's demonstrated very clearly it will knowingly sacrifice lives for electoral gain, and allow a situation to deteriorate in which the US and Western allies have already lost lives and are likely to lose them again.
This isn't the conservatism I grew up with.
Pointlessly spending blood and treasure on endless overseas brushfires and internecine squabbles is something I would be very glad to see expunged from US foreign policy.
The Europeans are basically too tired of war after WWII and decades of being right next to the Soviets during the Cold War, and after continental Europe was bombed out in WWII and then occupied by the Americans, they relied on the US for defense mostly. Over in Japan, they were bombed and then occupied by the Americans too, and avoided building up too much military force or projecting power. So that mainly leaves America and to an extent the other 5-eyes nations (UK, Australia, Canada) to counter the powers that have always tended towards authoritarianism.
Now suddenly without the support of the largest superpower with the largest military in the world.
Perhaps we should stop funding/arming/training people militarily to begin with.
"I don't care about other peoples suffering."
"I do care about oil. This doesn't really effect oil tho."
"So I don't need to care about any of this, and I don't"
You might be a person who literally only cares about things that directly effect them. You might want to have that looked into.
Here's what to do instead: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cflag.
Verbs and nouns matter.
Sometimes it's just time to cut bait.
If you find yourself on occasion wondering if you are, or other people pointing out that you might be, that certainly doesn't mean that you are. More likely you've post hoc created a narrative and justification of 'don't care'.
That doesn't make it better - arguably worse. The psychopath has an excuse.
'Bleeding heart' - yeah nice one. That must be it.
I just hope that there are not mass rapes, ethnic cleansing, and so forth as has happened in the past.
War is always terrible but this one we are directly responsible for which is very painful.
Look: in rojava you have Kurds, yazidis, Arabs, all living together without conflict. In turkey you have the suppression of the Kurdish language and ongoing ethnic strife. The two motivations go together.
But everybody since the independence war should know that being a US ally is not something you can really count on.