Impressive coordination of public & private bureaucracies
I do somewhat question the reliability of the source in this instance.
This government has lost all its credibility within a hundred day, which is impressive in a way I guess? I don’t think HK will be totally recovered when CCP continues to intervene. The damage has be made, and the scar will always be there.
Will it? I think over time, people will forget.
When the British colonized Hong Kong, they were especially brutal to the protestors. During the protests in the late 1960s, the British controlled police killed over 50 protesters.
Yet today, the protesters are wishing for the British to intervene.
To win the hearts and minds of Hong Kongers, Beijing needs to either give people the power to dismantle an economy strangled by property tycoons (e.g. electing a chief executive with actual power) or do it itself, and neither is permissible. China will never let a territory it controls have unfettered universal suffrage, and the mainland itself is turning into the conglomerate/tycoon economy that now restricts Hong Kong. Which is a great deal of irony for a party that started riots over working conditions in the 1960s.
New york time has the 1967 riot covered by interviewing a old lady in her 90s. And I think she mentioned a good point, is that power leads to corruption. So in general, how democracy work, how tools like tech like Telegram may lead to a leader-less way of governence, is quite interesting.
https://cn.nytimes.com/china/20190920/hongkong-north-point-1... (not sure if english version is available)
"Winter on fire", Netflix, highly recommend.
Of course times changing, and heard now Zello is affiliated with Russian government.
Not suggesting we put blind trust into it, just saying it's unfair to judge an app by where its makers come from.
I own one and it’s a great umbrella that I have only ever used for conventional purposes. :)
Now I just need to learn this Kunfgu set ...
And the usual suspects (a few are not startups): the guardianproject , lantern-vpn , the tor-project , freedom-box , matrix , GNU Jami , letsencrypt, grapheneos , signal , freedom.press  ivpn / pia / mulluvad et al.
Why do websites insist on the most terrible custom designs? What’s wrong with “input type=checkbox”?
Are umbrellas in China just really light and flimsy? I've had a lot of umbrellas heavy and sturdy enough to do some serious damage if I were so inclined.
People protested peacefully at first, but the government didn't give in and sent the police and triads to beat up citizens instead. Many things happened since then, mainly involving police brutality, misconduct, and collusion with triads and the Communist regime (like allegedly deploying Chinese police and the People's Liberation Army disguised as HK police). Therefore, now it has become a protest for 5 demands, namely:
1. Complete withdrawal of the said bill (now it has been "promised" by the Chief Executive Carrie Lam, but given the track record of her people will only believe it when they see it)
2. Revoke the riot definition of the protests
3. Release and cancel all the charges on people arrested for this movement
4. An independent commission to investigate police brutality and misconduct
5. True universal suffrage on both the CE and the legislative council
AFAIK, China is just one of the countries that was included in the bill. Hong Kong has become "fugitives' paradise" because it is unable to legally send criminals to the original country for trial.
> Chinese judicial system is a total joke
Don't disagree with you :-)
> the government didn't give in and sent the police and triads to beat up citizens instead
Fake news here. The government sent police to control riots. The people that got beaten up were criminals. Some media called them protesters. Bloomberg called them demonstrators. The ones in the front are criminals. They wear masks for the same reason that bank robbers wear masks. It is illegal to carry guns in Hong Kong so an umbrella is not a bad weapon. When these criminals charged forward, the police had no option but to control the situation using force.
> police brutality, misconduct, and collusion with triads and the Communist regime
Just compare to any Western country. If the same kind of violence were to happen in the US, someone would have been killed by the police. I'm not sure about collusion with triad. As for collusion with the communist party, we have to remember that Hong Kong is a Special Administrative Region of China. The Hong Kong government must work with China for any activity that may deem to be anti-government or challenge One-Country-Two-Systems. Collusion is the wrong choice of word here.
As for the 5 demands:
1. The extradition bill has been officially withdrawn.
2. This is impossible -- maybe it was possible in June but it's too late now given the violence.
3. This is impossible. It is also unreasonable because it would be a total dis-justice without going through the formal legal system.
4. There is already a system that citizen can make complaints against specific police behavior. It is also the wrong time to start any independent commission because the events are still unrolling.
5. It will take a long time to discuss again what made the "umbrella revolution" few years ago. The government seems open for discussions but if these so-called pro-democratic people cannot give in and resort to violent behavior then a "deal" can never been reached.
These recent events proved that some people in Hong Kong are indeed anti-government and their sole purpose is to tear down the One-Country-Two-Systems concept and make Hong Kong an independent country. By bad-mouthing the government and police, they are painting a picture that there is no other way but to separate itself from China. It includes certain media that is known to be biased -- Apple Daily News, The Stand News, and sometimes Radio Television Hong Kong (ironically, a government sponsored entity). They produce fake news by taking events out of context and fool everyone. IMO, these media and certain reporters are very unprofessional.
My 2 cents.
I don't agree that protestors are trying to tear down 1c2s. The issue seems to be that they dont trust China to stick to the agreement. Obviously if China won't honour their promises on 1c2s, independence becomes the only long-term solution.
I'm providing views from the movement's supporters' side, and it's nice to have the ruler's side for others' reference as well.
> They protest against what
I'm guessing it's pretty clear, HK is against being reincorporated into mainland. Gilet jaune seems to be against the direction of law making in current French government (namely, tax the rich less and the poor more). The "young people" for more actions against pollution.
> They protest, and they go nowhere ...
What do you suggest they do instead, if they are not fine with that? You're protesting against them on an online forum, this is so much better.
Protests have an actual effect on policy making, if only to rally people and express the vox populi, especially when said people doesn't have another to express itself than casting a general paper that gives a name, not an intent, into a box, with very long periodicity ; or don't have that luxury (e.g. Hong Kong in that case)
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It was really a tense and passionate debate 2 months ago, but now many of us just roll our eyes at the latest news, like when they shave people who clean the streets, burn an MTR station, cry in a foreign country they need to be "freed", and the like...
If you really want to "interpret" the message of their movement, that would seem like a good place to start.
The protesters are throwing Molotovs and yet no one has been killed.
After 2 months of riots, the police have been very reserved in there actions compared to other SWAT happy countries.