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From https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec21..., stallman is quoted saying

> “I disagree with some of what the article says about Epstein. Epstein is not, apparently, a pedophile, since the people he raped seem to have all been postpuberal.” He preferred to call Epstein a “serial rapist.”

yeeeeeesh




He is technically correct though.


The most useless kind of correct.

edit: to the downvoters -- is a discussion on whether a man who trafficked and raped dozens of underage girls is "technically not a pedophile" really a worthwhile conversation to have?


Yes, because "pedophile" right now just means "horrible person", when it actually had a definition already - "person sexually attracted to prepubescent/pubescent children". And this makes it much harder to actually have a conversation about pedophilia and how to prevent pedophiles from hurting children and themselves.

So yes, this is a conversation much more worthwhile than whether Stallman is a bad person.


>edit: to the downvoters -- is a discussion on whether a man who trafficked and raped dozens of underage girls is "technically not a pedophile" really a worthwhile conversation to have?

Apparently.

And don't bother complaining about downvotes in a thread like this. Any opinion besides a full-throated defense of RMS and denunciation of his detractors as a mob of pearl-clutching SJWs or shills out to destroy free software is probably going to get voted down. People will go through your history and downvote every comment they see. There's nothing you can do about that, it's Chinatown.


It is weird how often that seems to happen. When subjects like this come up, people suddenly get very pedantic about the definition of pedophilia versus ephebophilia, and the threads here have been dominated by sprawling, legalistic arguments about the precise definition of "sexual assault" and "rape" and the relevance of ages of consent and whether words even mean anything, really.

And this ... as if the distinction between prepubescent child rape and postpubescent child rape is at all relevant enough to mention.


> as if the distinction between prepubescent child rape and postpubescent child rape is at all relevant enough to mention

It is if the distinction between prepubescent children and postpubescent children is relevant, which certainly is the case in our current system of laws.

Furthermore, failing to observe such distinctions makes every single term that describes any kind of activity that some people don't like--pedophile, rapist, etc.--all equivalent; they all just mean "bad person". But that makes it impossible to have a useful conversation at all, because "bad person" is not a useful category if you're trying to figure out what to do about such people. You have to look at the specifics. If you refuse to look at the specifics, then you're not helping to do anything about the problem; you're just virtue signaling. "I think all of these people are just bad!" Okay, got it, thanks for sharing.


Stallman has never limited his "well technically..." outbursts to topics of sex/rape. He seems to do it with any topic without discretion.

A couple of days ago I attended a talk he gave at the Seattle Public Library and he did the "well technically..." routine to an audience member who claimed to be a fan of free software ("It's strange to say you're a fan of freedom [...]" or something to that effect.) He also did it in response to several other topics, but that one stood out to me.

I don't wish to pathologize aberrant social behavior since that could probably be turned back against me pretty easily, but if one were so inclined I think classifying Stallman would be pretty easy... Pedantry and lack of tact is a trait I've seen before.


I think there's a meaningful distinction between a pedophile who is primarily (exclusively?) attracted to children, and someone who keeps child sex slaves because they're easier to manage than adults.

It's not that one is worse than the other, it's just that they're quite different situations. I don't know exactly in which category Epstein falls because I haven't been following this whole ordeal too closely, so I'm not making any claims about that.




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