But I can see your point in SF where I use to walk 5 blocks from my apartment to the muni train and then another five blocks from the train to the office. Scooters would have been ideal there.
The e-bikes have one massive advantage in Austin - you can take them on the Butler Trail that runs the width of the Austin along the river. You can get almost anywhere of interest very quickly on one of the jump bikes.
There’s also no useful bus or train transport in Austin (I thought SF was bad) so you’re not using the small transport to move small distances between larger transport as often.
Unfortunately, I received an email earlier this month that Jump is pulling all the e-bikes from the city. I wonder if operating costs or cost fo replacement make them unrealistic?
I speak as someone who bikes and walks, and is as annoyed as everyone else by scooters -- they still have a right to personal safety.
We have bike lines in Chicago, but yet they still act like entitled assholes.
I've moved jobs and am out in the burbs, but plan on moving back pretty soon.
(Also, the suburban trains and taxis carry bikes for free.)
Most people use either old or fairly cheap (<€500) city bikes. We only lock the rear wheel; if you want to you can pick up the bike and walk off with it.
Some people do have nicer bikes, and they chain the bikes to something solid. I did this for 6 months when my city bike was new.
Sure, but how many will fit on one train/taxi? Here in Vancouver we have two bike-slots per bus and ~4 per train (which is actually just general accessibility-device space, for e.g. powered-wheelchairs, and is almost always taken already.)
Wikipedia says a suburban train takes 46 bikes. I should check, as the press release from the company doesn't give a figure.
I don't commute by train, so I don't know if that's still not enough. Many people do leave a second bicycle at the station.
I use mine for every trip longer than a 5 minute walk and less than a 45 mins bike ride. That encompasses the whole of Amsterdam and its outlying suburbs.
In bad weather, people have suitable rain gear and accept getting a bit wet. Or cycle with umbrellas. As the Dutch say, "there's no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothing".
But yes, the cycle paths are ploughed (often before the roadway). Nevertheless, bus and train use increases.
For cycling a long time in the rain, some people use overtrousers or other waterproof clothing.
What? I don't plan or strategize any more or less than someone getting in a car might think about the optimal rush hour route.
Without bike-parking infrastructure -- ubiquitous racks -- bikes are far less likely to be found where left, and far more likely to be damaged, vandalised, and/or have components nicked.
I've lived where cycling was well-supported and routes and racks reasonable. And where not. For SF, hills, parking, and traffic all work against cycling.
I don't own a car anymore, but when I did I had countless break ins. Most times nothing was taken. Petty theft & vandalism is a problem here regardless of vehicle type.
Closing the last half mile on a trip on scooter is a breeze. Sometimes the nearest bike docks at start and end total half a mile distance. Dockless bike? They are generally quite sparse where I am.
Your points on other forms of travel, such as regular cars + bicycles, are definitely true.
All you need is a good lock (make sure to put in wheel locks so you don't need to have that ridicolous cable-lock setup).
Do you sometimes need to walk 50m to find a pole or bike rack? Sure, but that doesn't require planning and strategy.
It's all marginal, but when it's standing room only, the extra space taken up by the folding bikes is just eeking that little bit more into the "socially unacceptable dick- move" category. Might not be applicable if you're not in place where public transport gets that busy, but definitely a consideration here.
Plus my hope is the ability to carry it easily one handed, and store it under (or leaving it standing vertically) my desks at both work and at home (as opposed to my bike, which resides underground in the garage), and that i can conceivably ride it in a suit.
Plus, I can access both sidewalks and paths and roads (which is a legal consideration here)
As I said, we'll see how it goes...but it seems to make sense on paper...
Depending on your fitness level, you might arrive a couple of minutes later than your friends, but so what.
Cheap, properly portable, properly rideable: choose two.
I can take mine on the bus, but that wouldn't be my first choice. I can take a regular Lyft, but not a Lyft Line with it. (I mean I could, but that's a dick move.) You're "that guy" at the bar after work.
Like I said, I own one (well, a Dahon), and it's definitely useful, more convenient than a full size, non-folding bike, but it doesn't actually solve the issue, merely alleviates it somewhat.
Note that the A-bike falls into this territory, bar the tiny wheels
Edit: I'd forgotten about another type, the monowheel, though they do require some skill: https://www.airwheel.net/home/product/X5
I think this is a fair comparison and gives the advantage to the Brompton in small folded size, although its weight is not something to be taken lightly (!) http://anatolyivanov.com/prose/en/AI.7.00109/
I love the Pakit, however I like the looks of this:
You don't have to bother carrying a lock (or walk to the corner to find the nearest pole to lock it to for that matter). And, don't tell my Mom, but not fiddling with a helmet and lights is huge too.
Can you imagine going to a car dealership, and coming across a car with 10x the stopping distance and a center of mass twice as high as a Civic and the salesman telling you "it's just as safe so long as you're traveling the same speed and same places"? Would you buy that claim for a second?
I've avoided numerous accidents by being able to stop quickly on my bike, or by making a sharp turn. This varies greatly just between different bicycles -- a mountain bike has much better stopping distance than a road bike. There's obviously also a big difference between a skateboard and a bicycle.
There's also, I think, a steeper learning curve between skateboard and bike, though that may be because learning to bike as a child is more common. There's at least a difference in skill levels. I mostly know the limits of my bike. (e.g., how hard can I turn without skidding out?) and while a skilled skateboarder may be on par with me on that, I'm not. I can bike tens of thousands of miles without falling. I'm nowhere near the skill level of being able to do that on a skateboard.
Being able to eject yourself is also valuable. I suspect a skateboarder would have better "eject and run" options than a cyclist, so that's a point in their favor. (I've had my back tire run over twice, and both times I was able to simply run forward over the handlebars, and my hands (and head) didn't touch the grounds, but it's not always going to be that easy.)
I think the main reason why skateboards are worse injury wise is many of them try to do tricks constantly, while most bicyclists are not in that category. Also the small wheels are more sensitive to potholes.
Surely it's simply because of scenarios like a small rock's ability to insta-stop your board, basically guaranteeing your injury. Pretty much every time I've ever been knocked off a skateboard during my commute would be something you wouldn't even think/care about if you were on a bike. Not even close. One is a bike, the other is a heavy, tall pole (you) on a low, rolling platform. One is far more precarious, like keeping a reverse pendulum balanced.
Hell, the most common injury I've seen on a skateboard is just someone stepping onto one, misplacing their center of mass, and the board just rocketing out from under them, and then bruising their tailbone/wrists. Even an inexperienced bicyclist doesn't have a fail case close to that.
This gets more true the further you are from sprinting on a regular basis. And really unless you have practice you're not going to match speeds with the ground anyway
If you did then you're probbably faster than normal and better balance than normal. I'm pretty sure I'd pull a hammy immediately. My coworker immediately face planted and broke arm and collar bone.
Wait, are you being serious? That's less than a 10 minute walk, and you probably need the exercise anyways... And SF has fantastic walking weather compared to most of the world.
It's possible that's exactly what you're doing on the scooter. Maybe your destination is a local establishment to meet up with friends and you don't want to be a sweaty mess upon arrival.
I suggest getting off that high horse.
Maybe you don't care about the value of your time, but many people do.
I can walk a mile in 20 minutes which is 3 mph. This implies these scooters can maintain 12-15 mph?
Am I just underestimating how fast you can get going on these things? That seems kind of fast unless you are going downhill both ways.
If you're used to the cheapo Razor scooters, it's worlds apart, even from the larger-wheeled Razor A5.
The relative speed depends on the terrain. If you're on concrete sidewalks, like I am, I'd say it's 3x faster. If you're on asphalt, then 4x is reasonable. Downhill, 5x easily.
We have one in our city now, you can rent. I have the feeling people use it for the same distances I use a bike for (<10km).
Visit China sometime, electric motor scooters (larger than the kids versions we have here) and motorbikes are everywhere, the large majority of small vehicles on the road there are now electric.
It is super nice, the streets are far cleaner and quieter than just a few years ago.
One huge benefit China has is an existing infrastructure for smaller vehicles, there is either a grade separation or a fence that differentiates small vehicles from larger ones.
On narrow urban streets speeds are lower so the separation is not needed. This is actually a great example of how making streets smaller can increase throughput, if bikes + electric bikes + motor scooters + cars all share the same road, more traffic can fit on the street once people who would be in individual occupancy cars feel comfortable moving to more space efficient forms of transportation.
Meanwhile in America we paint a tiny narrow bike lane on the road and pretend the white line is going to stop accidents.
Bonus: Electric motorbikes / motor scooters can have canopies on top, helping alleviate some of the weather issues.
Most of the companies probably won't, but the changes to the market place will. Everyone is used to quiet comfortable electric small vehicles now.
Watching hundreds of mothers swarm a school to pick their kids up on electric motor scooters really drilled that home for me. Especially contrasting that to the utter nightmare in America of a similar number of swarming SUVs! American schools end up wasting space for "pick-up zones", in contrast it isn't even a concept in China, an electric motor scooter is what, 4x-5x as space efficient?
Maybe in some parts of China like Shenzhen that are mandating it, but gas powered cars are still outselling electric cars 25 to 1 in China, so it will be a long time before electric cars make up a majority.
There are far more electric scooters on the road than there are cars.
In cities, it's no contest, there are hordes of scooters and only some cars. And 99% of the scooters were electric, in my experience.
What might be a new "innovation" in our country could be old hat in another.
Nothing wrong with that at all.
Separated bike lanes can be equally dangerous and more inconvenient for cyclists. If you can swing around a slow/stopped hazard then it’s not much better. It’s only good for the newbie riders who are scared of the road.
The best arrangements are sharrows where both parties are sharing the road with constant reminders to cars to be aware of their surrounds and respect cyclists.
Otherwise I 100% agree with you regarding electric vehicles.
Around here, on larger streets the speed limit is 35 mph. Riding a bike is considered a rather dangerous activity.
Drop the speed limit to 20 mph and maybe sharing the road becomes possible.
Seeing how other countries do it though, true separated bike lanes are the best. I agree that studies show painted bike lanes are actually more dangerous, but a physical barrier between cars and bikes is going to be the safest solution.
I'm no expert, but I googled "protected bike lane safety statistics" and every result is touting the safety benefits. The results with reliable looking numbers are reporting injury reductions of 30-90%.
For all intents and purposes, they worked and felt like the modern scooters, except that they had quick swap, fast charge AGM batteries. If we wanted to run an errand the next town over that would exceed a 30-40min ride (30min was a typical rental period), we'd just pack some extra batteries!
Those scooters were custom inventions, but larger scale commercialization never got anywhere and the business eventually died because of the battery tech being too cumbersome for consumer use, and the same legal questions that still plague us today, though it seems like electric bike usage the past 15 years has allowed at least some legislatures to give alternative powered transport a chance. As they should, as replacing large lumps of metal moving through our cities at unsafe speeds with much smaller lumps of metal moving a lot slower can only be a good thing for residents, pedestrians, and the environment.
So for the UK, such rise is randomly curtailed and no progress upon legal avenues to use them as you would intend beyond private land - which many do not own in London, an area in which such modes of transport are most suited.
[EDIT ADD] A better read upon what I said :- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48106617
Why are electric scooters banned when e-bikes are fine? What if they were capped at 20mph? Below the 25 for bikes
EBikes and scooters are hands down the best solution to London's pollution issue yet people are getting fined for using them.
There is a complete lack of logic in the rulings. The reason why escooters are illegal whereas EBikes are not: throttle. An ebike with a throttle is technically not legal and in the same boat as an escooter.
This distinction is ridiculous as an ecyclist/scooterist with a throttle is safer than someone going the same speed under their own effort.
The law in the UK should be:
- throttle is allowed
- fine if not wearing proper safety equipment
- Speed limit increased to 25 mph or current vehicle speed limit (e.g 20 near schools)
- no power limit (this allows heavier people to go the same speed as others, and it allows heavier cargo-type bikes to be much more useful)
- Innovate UK/BEIS grants specifically for electric micromobility projects (right now EBikes and scooters are generally barred from these grant competitions)
So therefore they will need insurance, and therefore need registration. And guess what, you can ride an electric scooter or bike at the speeds you mentioned, you just need to register and insure it. It is entirely possible and people do.
What you are suggesting is a way to ride fast vehicles without the social contract of insurance and traceability.
By your logic, fat people on bikes should require insurance.
Bike lanes are the solution. Not insurance as insurance and registration only deals with something after an accident.
Being hit by a moped could easily cause life changing injuries, so I'm pleased to see them insured.
There is already voluntary insurance for (e) cycling here. Making it mandatory for some makes no sense.
Ebike is not a moped. Mopeds can go much faster than the proposed limit of 25mph.
Mandatory insurance is a band aid.
If everyone was required to insure stuffed animals it would be cheap and perfectly "manageable" because the risk would be so low and the overhead would be spread over society but that overhead would still be pissed away on something non-productive because the net benefit to society of insuring stuffed animals is so small.
Escooters are about to be regulated. They should be motorbikes IMHO, but the slower speed and the way people use them make them something different. After all we want less cars around and escooters are a way to that goal.
But please, ban them from sidewalks. Having something fast moving among pedestrians is dangerous. Same for bicycles (and I'm a cyclist), only bike lanes and roads. Furthermore sidewalks are full of obstacles and have way worse pavements than roads.
I'm curious about the etymology for each type, and how both ended up using the same word.
The problem is in CA any Scooter even a 50 cc requires a full bike licence.
I'm really not sure how that later one works out grammatically!
My experience with it is it's a very fun way to commute and I prefer it to my bike. Most of the time I'm moving faster than all bikes, but just like the article I do agree with the 15 mph speed limit, because I really don't want to be going any faster with this thing. When I just started riding and was still learning how to stand and keep in control, a couple of times it shot away from under my feet and I hit the road pretty hard (on my feet luckily).
I'm not wearing a helmet or any other protective gear, I don't think that is necessary anymore than when riding a bike in NL (we have bike lanes everywhere). But if I had to travel on the road with cars then I probably would wear a helmet.
As for the goofy look mentioned by others in the comments, I don't know if that's true and I'm not the type of person that cares. I do get a lot of people looking at me though, but that's probably because they hardly ever see an electric scooter around here, or they think I'm doing something illegal and in NL the rules are the rules and deviation is not acceptable! ;)
Pedestrians do not have lanes.
Pedestrians are unpredictable.
Pedestrians often step around things, like dogshit.
I cannot count on my hands and toes the number of times someone > 150 LBS has whipped around me on the sidewalk.
The damage they can do, should they collide with me, is great. The max is death. People fall in the bathtub and die all the time, from head injuries.
This idea that scooters can coexist with pedestrians is BS and needs to die.
I don't think these things coexist well with cars either. (nor do bikes, which is why I don't ride a bike in the city)
Pedestrians need to be aware of their surroundings too. (another good rule, pick up your dog shit)
I once saved a kid from serious harm. I was waiting for my kid to come out of a martial arts test and I was waiting outside on the sidewalk. There was a class after my kid's that had lots of little kids in it. They were waiting inside, mostly. Basically, I saw a guy riding a bike down the sidewalk, about 30m away. I also saw a group of kids about to rush out the door, running. I literally just had enough time to hold out my arms and stop the bicyclist before he could get to where the kids were running. In essence, I put my body in front of him and he stopped.
The conversation didn't go well. I said he could have seriously injured the kids as they ran out of the door, 2-3 feet from him, and he decided to yell at me that he would have seen, blah blah blah.
> Pedestrians need to be aware of their surroundings too.
That means walking in a perfectly straight line and never deviating from that line unless you clear your blind spots. But, that isn't even enough. I've been hit twice, in the last 20 years, by cyclists on the sidewalk, when I was walking in a straight line. Both said: I didn't mean it. Incidentally, 100% of bicyclists, when told it's not legal to ride on the sidewalk reply to me, said "I won't hit a pedestrian" and then somethings I get the f-word yelled at me (I was very polite to start, but not at this point).
In a perfect world, we would have separate infrastructure for pedestrians, cyclists/scooters, and cars -- but our cities aren't laid out that way. Instead, most of the time, we devote huge tracts of land to cars, and force everyone else to share the scraps.
Where should the cyclists in your anecdote be riding? What speed do cars in the lanes nearby travel, and how aware are they of other road users?
The conversation can be very different from city to city, but in most places in America, sharing the road with cars means risking serious injury or death
The street. If they feel the danger is too great, then you know what? They have the choice to walk or take the bus or a car.
The choice to break the law and endanger my life is always a bad one. But it is a choice. They are trading their safety for mine, when they choose to ride on the sidewalk.
Whether they are breaking the law is rather irrelevant, unless you think the problem would be solved by making riding bikes on the sidewalk legal (which you obviously don't). You can't say "the law shouldn't be changed because that would be bad" and then "it's bad to do it because it is illegal". That's circular logic.
Also, not everywhere is riding on a sidewalk illegal (example found with a quick google: "The City of Los Angeles permits riding bicycles on sidewalks, even in business districts, as long as cyclists do so with regard for the safety of pedestrians and property").
You gave an example of kids rushing out of a store. But if bikes/scooters/etc are regularly on sidewalks, wouldn't they then be taught to be careful? I mean, kids have to intermix with cars in parking lots (far more likely to cause death or serious injury than getting hit by a bike), and they are taught appropriate safety.
Who knows, maybe a kid getting a painful scrape or bruise by running into a bike will save their life later by making them more attentive next time, so they don't get run over by a bus. If you are going to list anecdotes (observed or imagined), you should consider all such possibilities.
In the Netherlands, they know bikes and pedestrians don't mix, so they make separate paths. They are the gold standard for cyclist and pedestrian safety.
I, as a pedestrian, am an advocate for my safety. I walk 4 miles per day on the sidewalk and I can tell you since the scooters arrived, my safety is greatly at risk. With the number of hours I put in on sidewalks, it's only a matter of time before I get knocked down. I've had a bunch of very close calls already.
Will it be minor? Will I die due to a head injury? Don't know. The stakes are that high, though.
Everything you wrote is just avoiding the main issue.
Possibly true. (actually electric skateboards are allowed) But bikes also entered the conversation.
Regardless, I personally find the discussion of what the rules should be, rather than what they are in any particular jurisdiction, to be more interesting.
"I've had a bunch of very close calls already."
I don't know where you live, but you're quite the outlier. Maybe your attitude that the burden is entirely on someone else is putting you in danger?
I have a 5 year old (and yes, we spend an awful lot of time on San Francisco sidewalks), and I teach her that the burden is always on her to keep herself safe.
Of the 8 people killed using electric scooters so far, all of them have been the riders. Maybe you'll be the first to die this way, but that sounds a bit unlikely to me, unless you are actively trying to. Also, I've yet to hear of a pedestrian bicycle accident that caused significant injury that happened on an actual sidewalk.
"Everything you wrote is just avoiding the main issue."
No, it's not.
It's simply calling you out for assuming that your views and your priorities are the only right ones. You show no nuance. Placing "the burden" entirely on one party, here in the real world, makes no sense to me.
(I commuted via bike for years and as fun as it is it's beyond impractical. Parking, heat, rain, hills etc etc.)
Where do you put the bicycle when you get where you need to go?
Aren't there any light posts close to where you need to go? Not even talking about dedicated bike spots or racks – which may be available on your location. If you are not a bicyclist, you may not have noticed them even if they are present.
If you are commuting, surely there is some place at your place employment where you can leave it?
More worrying is multi-mode transportation. If you location's public transport doesn't provide space for bikes, then it is a big problem.
It's just like cars in other countries.
If you're also replacing an occasional car trip, the scooter is likely a net win (an electric car has something like 300-500 scooter batteries in it).
*The energy used by a single hot shower will get you most of the way to LA (from San Francisco) on a scooter.
(Edited to add: Sorry for confusion! I'm talking about an owned model like the one in OP, the Xiaomi Mi M365 - I looked at some product imagery and it wasn't clear if this was possible.)
Though if you're in a popular area there is no need, you can just walk a minute or less and find another.
The Boosted Rev I have now has exposed frame rails so you can use your favorite bike lock.
As for the rest, it's an iPhone/Pixel compared to the 2nd-tier-Android-like Xiamois. It's over-provisioned as far as motors, so whereas a Xiamoi is barely moving at its rated 14% grade, the Boosted is still pulling. The Boosted could easily exceed its 24mph limitation, so I assume that's a legal limitation. It's nice not to run at redline all the time like I do with the Xiaomi. Regen brakes are amazing. I rarely use the mechanical brake because the Boosted's regen will pull you down to a dead stop. In contrast, the Xiaomi's regen braking will haul you down if you're not in a hurry to stop, and you'll still need the disk brake for those last few feet.
In summary, if you plan to use a scooter as a vehicle, the Boosted is worth it. Not so much if you just want to go down the trail with your kids on the weekend. For that, or other occasional use, the Xiaomi is a bargain.
Or just one big one! https://onewheel.com
I switched to one of these after having a few too many wipeouts on a longboard. It's been fantastic.
That all said, 25mph on scooter wheels sounds terrifying. I've seen some escooters with tiny adorable disc brakes. What's your stopping distance at that speed?
Because this is reality, not a fantasy world.
Meh, you work up to it. Time and place, though; I tone it down through the downtown part of the trail.
What's your stopping distance at that speed?
Faster than my car or motorcycle. And that's just using the regenerative braking of the motors. I've never tried a full-on-drop-anchor stop with both the mechanical disk and regen brakes.
> Faster than my car or motorcycle. And that's just using the regenerative braking of the motors. I've never tried a full-on-drop-anchor stop with both the mechanical disk and regen brakes.
Do you have a heavily modified scooter or something otherwise unusual? I looked up braking tests for cars, motorbikes, and e-scooters, and couldn't find a single e-scooter that's been tested that has the same stopping distance as a normal car let alone a sports or a motorcycle.
I don't think this is super surprising considering the relative size of the contact patch and what the "tire" is made of on most scooters.
In another comment, you said you have a Xiaomi scooter. In this brake test (https://www.zdnet.com/article/mi-electric-scooter-review-com...), it has a 13 foot stopping distance from 12.4mph even when using the disc brakes. This is similar to what other scooter tests show.
NACTO's suggestion for a conservative car stopping distance is 11 feet from 15mph, not including reaction time, which is the same as in the scooter test (https://nacto.org/docs/usdg/vehicle_stopping_distance_and_ti...).
How are you getting your scooter to stop more quickly than a motorcycle?
But you caught me, it’s all been measured on the seat-of-the-pants dyno. </shrug>
There are already too many irresponsible e-scooter riders on the roads who ride the wrong way on one way streets, cross mounted at pedestrian crossings, ride on sidewalks, ignore red lights, stop signs etc.
Yes, you can concoct scenarios where a scooter/bike triggers a crash by doing something unexpected/illegal such that another vehicle swerves. But these are rare circumstances, particularly in contrast with automobile collisions which nearly always involve damage to vehicles or property. Even at 25, 30, or even 40mph, how much damage is a scooter or e-bike capable of doing?
Bicycle licensing has been requested and studied so many times in Toronto that they actually have a page on their website about why it isn't done: https://www.toronto.ca/services-payments/streets-parking-tra...
1/2 * (100 kg vehicle + occupant) * (45 mph)^2 = 6328 J
~7×10^3 J = Muzzle energy of an elephant gun, e.g. firing a .458 Winchester Magnum
Now we simply need to make the 50-75 miles in-between more bearable. Hopefully, someday soon we’ll be covering that vast distance at the incredible speed of 100 mph (160 kph)
Intercity / regional trains are already a thing, and 160kph or so is a standard top speed for them e.g. Class 387, SNCF Class B 81500, …
Mine is 15 miles, and the problem is stops (which top speed does nothing to address).
However, if your average speed is 25 mph and the average doubled to 50 mph, I'm sure you'd be happy. With maglevs, we'd probably want more express trains.
Modern "diesel" trains are diesel electric, outside of large freight trains the motors don't really strain to accelerate.
The biggest thing with these low end electric bikes/scooters is that they have a hard time with the hills and really slow down and burn through power on them. My bike will do ~45mph but there's hills on my commute where I top out at ~19mph (with a running start of ~30mph).
But if you're commute in <5mi I think the scooter might be the best because as other have noted it's the most convenient, being able to take it inside with you to stores or hop on the bus or toss it in a car are extremely valuable features to me. Theft is my biggest concern but again with a cheap scooter you aren't out too bad if it gets jacked.
It is very useful, but more for saving brake wear.
this makes the assumption that your city has a functional bike lane network, which is the problem in a lot of cities. If you have bike lanes, it's really easy. If you don't have bike lanes, suddenly you have this friction where there's suddenly a whole lot more people trying to use the streets but not in a car.
The way I see it, this increased uptake could help drive greater investment in bike lanes and walkability. Politically, it's always easier to spend money on things people already do than on things they might do if you spent enough.
The toughest nut to crack would be replacing trucks, which could probably be handled with either light rail handling goods or truck-only roads completely segregated from the rest of the roads (say, tunnel or overpass).
Delivery trucks can still share the space, not huge semis but smaller ones are no problem, they are infrequent enough making deliveries to businesses that they shouldn't be a huge burden (see: How the rest of the world handles it).
Keep semis on the main streets of course.
For larger arterial streets, separate traffic by size. Honestly fences are cheap and used in other countries, I am not sure why American cities insist on just thin painted white lines. It is not like a fence takes up significantly more space. :/ (Maybe 2 inches extra width, if that?)
And you somehow managed to completely forget that families with small children exist.
as he says, it absolutely extends your range for all kinds of situations (yes, even carry one in your car). it’s not very rugged so put slime in the tires as he says and expect some other things to break. i disagree about taking it in stores—it’s awkward but totally acceptable in most places you’d ride a scooter to (grocery store, cafe, target, etc)
definitely looking forward to the pro!
I don't see this problem discussed enough and can't imagine anything better than public transport for the winter. It's a real bummer.
However, I dont get why everyone is using these standup kickbike type scooters... those suck, clearly.
Scooters like Niu is where its at: https://www.niu.com/en/
It's crazy to see how in 2-3 years there are thousands of people using electric scooters and bikes.
The only problem is that it grows in such a rapid pace that the city is not built to it.
There are many small incidents, and in many cases, those incidents are pretty risky.
My scooter is rated at 250w (600w peak, which is on the low side) but is incredibly compact when folded, which is a huge plus. Considering upgrading to a more powerful one, but losing the compactness might not be worth the trade off to me — I can fit this scooter between my legs in a packed uber pool (!)
Of course, walking is to be encouraged where practical, but it has a very short effective range compared to a bike or scooter. Scooters and bikes drastically extend the effective reach of transit stations, with much less of a downside compared to cars (less polluting, less noisy, less danger for others, less parking space).
I love to get out and walk in my neighborhood whenever possible, but walking even half a mile in the summer heat in Atlanta in work appropriate clothing is going to wreck your appearance.
Maybe if you are crawling. Thats 3 miles an hour.
I'm a fast walker, but I definitely wouldn't consider taking the bus if it meant walking everyday.
In July-August-September it can be over 90F/32C in the morning commute, with 90%+ humidity.
Breezing along in 100F on a scooter at top speed you might still sweat a little bit from the sun, but not much.
Journeys (especially commutes) are bounded by how long you're willing to travel, rather than how far.
Anyway, some people may be able to walk from the station to work in 10 minutes, that radius is fairly small though. A scooter increases that radius significantly, allowing many more people to be within 10 minutes of the station.
Please let other people decide what's best for them.
> Earlier this year, a CR investigation—which tabulated injuries from 110 hospitals in 47 U.S. cities—found that at least 1,500 riders had been injured since e-scooters were introduced in late 2017, and there were four fatalities. Since then, CR has identified an additional four deaths.
> a 5-year-old boy riding with his mother died when he fell off a scooter and was hit by a vehicle.
Assuming of course you are not increasing people's travel times with your new device.
If your plan is actually "make everything slow and take forever", then sure you can get rid of fatalities.
I refuse to talk about cracking pavement or helmet laws before we talk about why drivers feel entitled to go double the speed limit, text and drive, or be "just a little" drunk. How many people have coworkers that take work calls on their way into work? I know a lot of people who brag about their callous disregard for other people's safety. It's a sick disease.
People with disabilities cannot use these scooters anyway, they need something different.
I use scooters occasionally and there is a sweet spot in the 30-60 minute walk range. A 30 minute walk turns into a ~6 minute scooter ride (assuming 3mph walking and 13mph scooter). If you're talking about roundtrip then you're saving over 45 minutes by scootering.
Sure, if it's a lazy Saturday and I'm just moseying around then I'll walk. But if I'm running to the gym and back after work then it's worth it to me to save those 45 minutes.
That's it. That's the killer feature.
With the scooters, you just have to find a different scooter and continue about your business.
Except that the scooter companies can't figure this out either and are moving to a monthly rental to put the burden back on you.
> In April, it announced the launch of a more traditional rental program in San Francisco and Barcelona, in which users could pay $25 per month to rent a Xiaomi m365 from the company rather than paying per ride.
The gig economy is about externalizing all the costs, ya'know.
Edit: Not voicing approval for this practice but that’s how it seems to work in my city at least.
Honestly, I think scooter companies should be fined for any scooters left in a place that causes problems. It's essentially litter, so it should be treated as such. Scooter companies should be providing some means of locking them up securely and expect their users to use them.
It's okay to support a mode that only most of the population can use. There are still other modes, just like with stairs and elevators/ramps.
The scooters solve no problems bicycles already do not, not exactly even portability yet.
They create problems of litter on sidewalks, trash generation due to damage (where rental bikes are typically fixable if damaged) and issues of safety as they're much less visible and people tend to not use the bell...
It's funny, Handicap parking spots are sacred. What kind of a deplorable, revolting human being would ever park in a handicap spot if they weren't handicapped? Pictures and videos of horrible, wretched human beings parked in handicapped spots are posted online so they can be called out and shamed.
Yet there are so many disabled people who cannot work a regular job and/or cannot qualify for a licence. Everything about cars makes their lives more difficult. Often they just stay at home, because getting anywhere is such a costly and/or harrowing chore. Handicap spots are just more parking lot they have to cross to get where they're trying to go.
So what was the point of bringing it up then?
> The scooters solve no problems bicycles already do not
Sure they do. Part of the issue with bikes is a chicken and egg problem where politicians are hesitant to invest money into bike infra, because not enough people ride. And many people don't ride because of bad bike infra.
Many, perhaps most of the people riding escooters don't ride their own bike around, or wouldn't ride a rentable ebike, for whatever reason. That's why the scooters got uptake much more rapidly than rentable ebikes.
So once you have more people on modes that fit bike infrastructure, because of, say, the ease of use and accessibility of electric scooters, it becomes easier to fight for that bike infrastructure.
Additionally, people with disabilities pioneered personal electric transportation long before Bird or Lime. The form factor is different, but the technology is essentially the same. Electric wheelchair tech is highly enabling for people with disabilities.
You are making broad assumptions about what people with disabilities need or want. Disabled does not always mean "wheelchair", and not every disability is visible to you, nor does it need to be.
Some disabilities, or other medical conditions, make walking a few blocks (let alone miles) prohibitive. Some disabilities mean taking the elevator rather than the stairs. Some disabilities make a bicycle unusable.
Man, I'm just tryin' to get to work. Why does every alternative to plopping my ass in a giant wheelchair have to be "healthy"? What, "not a car" isn't good enough?
infrastructure and laws are there.
You might be surprised to find that electric scooters work just as well as bicycles on that infrastructure. Laws? Meh, were my municipality backward (and they are not) it wouldn't necessarily mean I'd pay much attention to their directives until they change.