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As an immigrant in Canada (normal process, not refugee) I can say the process is fair, especially compared to other countries (see neighbor). The requirement on language makes sense and also the minimum amount of savings and no dangerous disease. Basically you are set to successfully start out.

Just talking about my experience, but after living in other 3 countries, the openness of Canadians to immigrants and the culture that they bring in is astonishing. This is probably why everyone I know that immigrated to Canada had respect for the country from the start. Cannot say the same for most other countries.

I feel like the fast (at least in immigration terms) response that the Canadian government gives speeds up the integration and lowers worry about future uncertainty.

Sadly Canadian points-based system is a non starter with Democrats and some nativist Republicans in the US.

Worth clarifying in case you're unfamiliar with the Canadian system: There is a points-based program for economic migration, but there are also other immigration avenues (e.g. family reunification) and appeal processes (e.g. based on established connection to Canada) that are not points based.

(In 2018, just over half of immigration to Canada was via points system, with 28% and 14% family reunification and refugees respectively. [0])

The points based system isn't a panacea. As a Canadian, I see it as a tradeoff: I dislike the fact that it makes access to Canada easier for the wealthy and privileged, but it's transparent and predictable and (hopefully) aligned with the skills that help immigrants succeed.

I'm no expert, but there are other differences you could look at. For example, having family in your community is a strong predictor of economic success for immigrants, so if you really care about successful integration, you might want to prioritize family reunification. It feels like the Canadian and US discourse on this have started to diverge. ("chain migration"?)

In any case, a complicated topic. [1] I certainly don't know what system is best. But I feel it's a bit reductive to only focus on the point-based aspect.

[0] https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/ca... [1] https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/co...

You just have to hope that the new generation is better...

It's very possible that left wing social liberalism has jumped the shark and hard core right wing social conservatism is on the menu going forward. Evidence for this is Trump, states passing ridiculous abortion laws, nativism, etc. That we are switching from the Dionysian to the Apollonian.

Are you in one of the major cities?

He said Vancouver below, I guess what you're insinuating that there is less acceptance and occasional vitriol in less diverse regions of Canada? I think even then Canada is broadly more accepting. At least personally, there's many anecdotes of racist incidents among my POC / immigrant friends who studied or worked in major urban centres in other western countries.

It seems pretty rare in Canada and even then those incidents were within the last few years when the overton window moved all over the west. Multiple accounts of immigrants from Asian countries who lived in Toronto 30 years+ never experienced any outward racism get told to go back to their country recently. It's pretty surreal.

I'm not insinuating that, I'm flat out stating it. I've lived in Canada in several places and the amount of overt racism outside of the major cities is shocking.


I feel most American big cities are very welcoming to immigrants too, but much less so in rural areas... Do you still feel welcomed in rural areas in Canada?

Haven’t been much, met people from the boonies and they were all friendly. Although easy in my case, nowadays you say “Italian” and mostly everyone thinks pizza-pasta-fashion-boom-done.

Also theory of my Canadian friends is that all the anger Canadians might have is taken out at the hockey ice rink!

In the end hatred comes from ignorance, big cities are better because people interact and realize humans from somewhere else are in fact still humans.

As an American living in Canada, I'd say the rural-urban divide is more-or-less the same in Canada.

It can be pretty rough in places. People seem to forget that Trailer Park Boys and Letterkenny are set in Canada. The Wolverine's (X-Men) backstory involves cage fighting in Northern Alberta -- which is absolutely truth-in-television, cuz I live in AB and damn near every oil worker is waiting for their MMA career to take off.

This carries over to immigration -- there is a lot of eye rolling and subtle dislike of the temporary foreign workers ("TFWs"). My in-laws in rural AB have, uh, strong thoughts about foreigners. Quebec is a notable difference too, as they have a reputation for not being fond of non-European, non-Francophone folks in their borders.

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