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Apple has unveiled the new seventh-gen iPad (bgr.com)
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Bummer that it's only compatible with the first-generation Apple Pencil and not second-generation Pencil. What's their rationale?

The second-generation Pencil only charges by attaching magnetically to the flat side of an iPad Pro. It has no ports or any way to plug it in to charge otherwise. Only the iPad Pro has the physical design to accommodate it.

Since when has ease of charging stopped Apple? I'd have expected it to only be compatible with the second-gen Pencil, along with an announcement of an optional Pencil charger.

NOTE: I'm 95% joking about this. It does seem like a missed opportunity for them to sell a second gen Pencil charger if it's the only way to use it with a non-iPad Pro though.

If Apple made a Pencil charger that looked like one of those old electric pencil sharpeners (just put your Pencil in the hole to charge it!) I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

I'd prefer a quill holder / ink-bottle shaped one.

So many choices for novelty, and yet...

You’re totally right but the 2nd gen Apple Pencil can’t hold charge for very long even when not being used — so that wouldn’t work.

I use an iPad Pro and pencil as my primary computing device, and my experience is that I’ve forgotten the Apple Pencil has a battery at all. I’ve never had it run out of charge or even come close.

I use it on-and-off all day, and when I’m not using it I either toss it on the table or click it back onto the iPad, based on whichever motion is easier. I’ve never thought “ugh, I need to click it back onto the iPad to recharge”.

There's no disagreement between your post and the one you're replying to. You charge your pencil often, and you have never run out of battery. That says nothing about whether you'd have lots of issue if you couldn't snap it to the side to charge, and had to put intentional effort into charging it.

> but the 2nd gen Apple Pencil can’t hold charge for very long

Sounds like you’ve got a defective battery, mine and other commenters here don’t have that issue.

Besides, doesn’t it get like almost an hour of usage after an absurdly short charge of like a minute?

>but the 2nd gen Apple Pencil can’t hold charge for very long even when not being used

Who said that?

I still think it would have made sense for the first-gen pencil to charge off the (keyboard) accessory port. It's magnetic, it has power, and all the iPads have it now.

The magnetic attachment and charging uses the vertical flat sides on the 2018 iPad Pro design, and the non-pro versions still have rounded edges. Maybe they could have stuffed the charging/pairing hardware into the front bezels though?

> Bummer that it's only compatible with the first-generation Apple Pencil and not second-generation Pencil. What's their rationale?

That sucks. I just lost my 1st gen pencil because it has no attachment or clips. Such a 'beautiful' but impractical design.

I hope they're retaining the 4:3 aspect ratio. Samsung IMO shot themselves in the foot by switching back to 16:10 for their recent tablets after going with 4:3 for the Tab S3.

16:10 on portrait is far too tall and narrow to use comfortably, while in landscape it's far too wide. 4:3 has a nice balance, and is shaped like a piece of paper, which is extremely useful when reading PDFs. Websites also render in their desktop view in portrait, whereas you get a weird semi-mobile view in 16:10 on portrait due to the breakpoints that have been set on most sites' CSS.

They will retain the current ratio, but both parties are in the wrong - 4:3 isn't the shape of a piece of paper, 1:√2 is.

The most mainstream tablet device to have had that ratio was Google's discontinued Pixel C, which was a fantastic device to read on because of it (granted, when the damned hardware worked).

> 4:3 isn't the shape of a piece of paper, 1:√2 is.

US letter sized paper is 8.5 inches wide and 11 inches tall.

4/3 is 1.333....

11/8.5 is about 1.29.

It's not 4:3 exactly, but it's pretty close.

A4 and friends are of course not 4:3--and aren't arbitrarily sized.

Which paper size? Letter? A4?

A4, GP’s view of paper is only what’s native to GP apparently.

As already established by sibling comment to yours, 8.5 x 11 is very close to 4:3.

A4 is 297mm x 210mm which is very very close to √2.

A4 is the normal assumed standard office paper size for around 90% of the people on earth. I tend to see something printed on US Letter around once or twice a year and it's a weird novelty.

I would wager most (>50%) of the people on Earth don’t have regular access to a printer, nor regularly consume A4 printed goods. For them “paper size” would be whatever is common in the notebooks/journals sold in their country.

Leaving the percentages aside, lots of people use photocopiers without owning them. In countries like India, there are many photocopying shops that will make copies of anything for a very small fee. People use them to make copies of ID cards, certificates, bank statements and what not regularly. Anywhere some kind of documentation proof is required, photocopies are usually involved (electronic submission is still not as widespread).

Exactly the point I was making. I was not trying to imply US Letter is the “normal size” (if I did, then I’d be doing the same thing they ran afoul of).

Who are the 50%? I get your point but I think you might be making some odd assumptions, markedly underestimating how much a person in regional China, India or Indonesia interacts with paperwork. (You might also be forgetting just how cheap printers and paper are.)

> A4 is 297mm x 210mm which is very very close to √2.

It is √2 for the ability to cut paper for mass manufacturing: the difference between the official A4 measurements and a "true" sqrt(2) is 16µm (assuming the short side is the reference).

> the difference between the official A4 measurements and a "true" sqrt(2) is 16µm

Aka “very very” close. I didn’t feel the need to be so specific as defining the exact amount of closeness (despite knowing it), but thanks for sharing in case others were curious.

> Aka “very very” close.

No. AKA the same. When the precision of the cutting implements is lower than the difference between the spec and the idealised ratio you're there. 296.9848mm is not an actual paper dimension which makes any sense.

It (A4) has tolerances of 2mm on either side though so you can go as close to a √2 ratio as you want :) Not sure about the tolerances on letter paper.

The fact is has loose tolerances seems a bit non-sequitur, but thanks for sharing. In both cases, I was using the “standard” dimensions.

Loose is relative. I suspect a 2mm tolerance in office paper wasn't considered loose in 1921.

Is there a point you are trying to make? A4 is by definition the size I stated in my comment. The square root of 2 isn’t some universal “perfect size” around the globe for paper. Those who use A* might prefer it, but there is a lot of variation across the globe on what defines “paper” size as “normal”. There’s also folks who use the B* series of sizes for example.

The definition of A4 includes the tolerances. And the only reason it doesn't perfectly match the square root of two is rounding. It's not a non-sequitur to point out that 1/√2 is at the core of A4, not the particular millimeters you quoted.

Neither tsbinz nor sjwright was saying anything about whether 1/√2 is a "perfect size" or not.

The B* series is also 1/√2.

> only what’s native to GP^H^H the rest of the world outside North America

> the rest of the world

A4 is not a worldwide standard (even excepting NA) either, many countries have different. I wasn’t saying US Letter is a universal standard either, quite the opposite.

My point to be very explicitly clear:

there is no universal size of paper around the globe, so saying something isn’t “paper sized” is entirely irrelevant to anyone besides those who share your definition of the size of paper

Read it again, it states over 100 sizes of paper. ;)

Read it again, the article literally states:

> the A and B series of ISO 216, which includes the commonly used A4 size, are the international standard used by almost every country.

A and B series are specific size classes for specific use cases, that there are a number of sizes either historical or completely outside these use cases doesn't make them "not […] worldwide standards".

I have the iPad Air 2, released in 2014 and looks identical to the new iPad released today. It has the latest OS updates and it's never had any performance issues. Why would someone upgrade from this 5 year old device?

To me the answer seemed obvious, and I wanted to reply "it isn't supported anymore in iOS". To my surprise, this 5 year old tablet of yours is still supported in iOS 12.4.1 [1], and it will also be supported in iPadOS 13 [2].

That's impressive. Which Android tablet from 2014 or 2015 is still supported nowadays?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPad_Air_2

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPadOS

Is there even an Android tablet market anymore? (Excluding Kindle Fire)

Chromebooks. £500 for a 14" touchscreen Android/Linux/Chrome browser on x86 with a nice lit keyboard... You don't save much getting a decent-ish tablet but without Linux/keyboard etc etc. Tablets - other than £150 or so ones you can throw in a bag and take on holiday - don't really make any sense any more.

Also convertible laptops. I use a Yoga Book [1] as a laptop when traveling, which is basically just a 10" tablet (and thinner than my old iPad!). My daily driver laptop also folds all the way back (and disables the keyboard) if I want a hefty ol' 13" tablet.

[1] https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/51360191/...

As owner of an i5 Pixelbook, I was really surprised at how hot and noisy the thing became after 10 minutes playing Egg Inc. It's an interesting device (with Crostini) but not a very good tablet.

I don't use mine as a tablet (and mine is one of the ones where you can fold the keyboard right around), but it is good to have proper android support so I can use mx player to watch videos (with all codecs supported, unlike the chrome player), play lichess offline etc.

How did it get noisy without a fan?

Hmm! Maybe I am mistaken about the noise as I was pretty sleep-deprived at the time. It sure did get hot, though. I'll attempt to re-enact.

Oh, I believe that. My fanless MacBook gets unpleasantly hot enough during gaming that I've never bothered attempting any games on my Pixelbook.

I gave up on the android tablet ecosystem this year and got a Surface Go when I needed to replace my shield tablet K1. Local suppliers sold the same Android 4 Samsung tablets I had skipped over in favour of the K1 or Amazon's limited Kindle Fire devices.

It wasn't my first choice (I'd have rathered a 7-8" device, and windows application touch support is inconsistent), but the only other option was the iPad Mini and wanted a less locked down device.

In Europe there are plenty of Huawei and Samsung Android tablets to choose from.

On the other hand, they also have nice looking Surface like Windows tablets.

Personally given the whole story with updates (mine is stuck on 5.0) and crippling Java support, I rather go with a Surface like tablet or iPad.

Are these not available in the USA? Does Xiaomi make decent tablets?

To add to what dmix said,


The Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 was announced on the 31st July 2019.

    Display: 10.5-inch 2560x1600 Super AMOLED
    Processor: Qualcomm Snapdragon 855
    Storage: 128/256 GB (expandable up to 512 GB)
    Memory: 6/8 GB
    Battery: 7,040 mAh
    Rear Camera: 13 MP wide + 5 MP ultra-wide
    Front Camera: 8 MP
    Dimensions: 244.5 × 159.5 × 5.7 mm
    Weight: 420 grams
    Price: Starts at $649.99

The question is, are they selling in large enough quantities to justify a market for software.

The market you refer to is dominated by Facebook, Netflix, YouTube, Spotify and maybe the Google Docs/MS Office apps. None of those require a pressure-sensitive screen and largely look and work the same way on mobile as on tablet.

Some iPad apps like Procreate and Affinity Publisher are designed for the pen, but considering that iPads sell in the tens of millions, I'd wager they make up a pretty small portion of the buying public.

Apple sells roughly twice as many iPads as Macs.

Yeah, virtually every app in the Play Store "may not be optimized for tablets". That disclaimer has become superfluous.

From a price/performance PoV I really liked the Nvidia Shield Tablet K1, but they no longer give it updates. Even LineageOS no longer does. An update with a similar form factor but a better resolution and a little bit more horsepower would be an instant "will probably buy" (I don't really need a tablet, and am trying to not get locked into Nvidia ecosystem, so those are for me two downsides of a new Nvidia Shield Tablet K1).

To be fair to nvidia, the 2014-2018 Android 5-7 support lifecycle for the shield tablet remains the best supported android device I've owned.

I wouldn't hold out for a successor though, Nvidia makes much of the internals of the Switch and I think another Nvidia branded tablet device would be too close to competition for Nintendo to allow.

My Fairphone 2 got 4 (and will get 5) years of support from a small company (Fairphone). Tablet-wise, I agree, although the K1 refresh got less long updates. Also, I don't expect a new tablet from Nvidia for the reason you mentioned. However the setopbox line I expect updates from (don't have one but heard universal praise). Thing is, I use a Steam Link and don't have Nvidia graphics card so no GeForce Now (don't like such vendor lock in either).

Samsung and Huawei sell more tablets than Amazon


Kindle Fire is dead fwiw. There were stats that Kindle line itself has slowed down but I don't know what the trajectory of iPads been like in the last two years.

>That's impressive. Which Android tablet from 2014 or 2015 is still supported nowadays?

Nexus 7 owner here. No support, has always needed a better battery, and the sensors need a power cycle occasionally, but I still don't regret the purchase. I mainly use it for videos and reading.

Even if you are stuck with Marshmallow, you are getting new Chrome or Gmail.

No support in iOS land means no new Safari, Mail, or other built-in apps.

I'm going to made a broad assumption. This is the only leverage that device manufacturers have to get people to upgrade. The tablet experience doesn't degrade the same way that phones do.

> This is the only leverage that device manufacturers have to get people to upgrade.

Is that compelling enough, though? Most normal users are bothered by updates. That's why we see better cameras, or other user visible features as a reason to upgrade.

The crazy reality is: major carriers like Verizon still sell iPhone 6S devices today, brand new. So there's an expectation that they have to support a brand new iPhone with iOS upgrades for a significant number of years. And Apple can do it because they only sell a handful of models that have a very common hardware set.

The iPhone 6s is still a great phone. I’m using a 6s+ to write this, and with a new battery it still feels new and responsive, especially after the optimizations Apple made in iOS a couple years back. This phone is 5 years old now. With each new iPhone release I look for excuses to spend the money and upgrade, and I still can’t see any reason to do so. I mean, those new cameras and faceid looks great but touchid is fine and I’m not a photographer.

I feel torn on the price of new iPhones - on one hand, spending so much makes it harder to justify the incremental upgrades. And on the other hand, after my experience with the 6s+ I’ll expect my next iphone to last at least 5-6 years as well, so forking out that much money for a smartphone doesn’t seem so crazy any more.

Yeah, part of me says, hey, buy the newest phone, and keep it five or six years. Though the other part says, if iPhone 7 is are free on contract right now. Get that, and in two years get an iphone XR or whatever for free on contract, etc. Because then I get that fresh new battery every couple years, and spend a lot less money on having that shiny new top-of-the-line-ness that wears off shortly anyways.

> This phone is 5 years old now.

The iPhone 6s is not yet four years old, it was released in late September 2015. Still a good phone.

Nice catch - sorry, got confused by the silly numbering system. (What’s with people skipping version 9?)

They skipped 9 because it was the tenth anniversary phone, hence iPhone 10.

I went from a 6s plus to a xs.

The main improvement is the camera. It is significantly better.

We're going to buy an iPad for our boat to keep track of systems (they all have bluetooth now, especially the solar power stuff) and gps/navigation/charts ("maps"), plus have a copy of all the manuals in PDF ready to go. Also it interfaces with the onboard navigational sensors via a wifi gateway. It will probably live on the boat for 8-10 years before it's replaced, but since it's expected to have a long lifespan we want one with a new battery. Also also, the newer models are typically IPX-something rated (waterproof/resistant-esque) better than the old models.

Not everyone bought in to the tablet craze in the first few years.

None of the iPads have any splash, water, or dust resistance rating. Only iPhone 7 and later, and the Apple Watch have ratings:



You should definitely put any iPad in a case if you need water resistance.

We had an iPad 2 onboard our boat for almost 2 years. I'd get a waterproof case like a Lifeproof. Sea spray can be especially harsh on electronics.

It was one of the best purchases we made. We use Navionics, not only were the charts cheaper for the iPad than our chartplotter. We could also connect to the boats AIS, charging equipment, navigation, and satellite phone. Easily saved us hundreds of dollars on charts. Each component had an optional screen addition (ie. small screen for the AIS) that easily was the cost of an iPad.

For our next boat we're going to drop chartplotters completely and do all our navigation and planning directly on the iPad. Just one 10" chartplotter could buy 4-5 10" iPads.

I don't think an ipad would last 8 years. Some of the existing models will have bulging batteries within 2 years.

Add the water / wet environment, and as a previous poster says - no waterproof/resistant rating.

Put it in a watertight case, and expect to change it within 3 years.

I have an original iPad I got the first day they came out (April 2010). Still works and the battery still charges. Only bad part is the OS is stuck at 5 and Safari crashes on some websites.

Got one laying around, too. But Safari seems to crash on almost any website these days and there are no updates anymore etc. pp. Wonder what to do with it. Any ideas?

My mom uses her iPad 1 since then without any problem.

My iPad Air 1st gen (that's from six years ago) is still working fine. It got a little sluggish, but iOS 12 made it fast again.

We're currently using my mother-in-law's unused first gen ipad (wifi only) with no issues but 30 pin charging cables are getting hard to find + not compatible with my wife's phone + there is no GPS in the unit which we would like as a backup. Apparently the 3G fist gen models had GPS but this is not one of them. Also the battery life is horrendous.

I have at least one, if not two (when they have two screen sizes in the same generation, or different base bands back when that could be different), of every generation of iPad and not one of them has a bulging battery.

Still using my iPad3 from 2012 daily, mostly to read hackernews...

My in-laws are currently using my hand-me-down iPad 1st gen. I’m still using my 2nd gen.

not to say some software that used to work stops for no (valid) reason (skype).

As someone planning on upgrading a kid’s device, better performance: you never have any, we get tons, in particular when multitasking. I confess I am used to the 13” pro so I am more sensible to the glitches perhaps.

Touch ID is a real QOL improvement.

A better camera is actually nice, I don’t understand people making fun of it.

All in all I think there’s a ton to love in this new version. That doesn’t make older ones obsolete, but it’s significantly better I think.

pencil support, better gaming, or 1 yr of tv+ service that I believe comes with all new apple products are some possible reasons. Screen is also slightly bigger. You could always hustle that Air 2 for a decent amount and pick up the new one for a great deal.

My wife has an iPad Air 2. The screen cracked over the years (it's mostly our 3yo's now--the source of the cracks). I went to get the screen repaired and was quoted at $169 (because the screen was "a one-off" for Apple) other devices were quoted closer to $99. The battery life isn't the best anymore, either.

If you're playing videos and using basic apps, it still works great. My wife likes to use Garage Band to jot down ideas and over the years it has gotten a bit sluggish. She also really likes the keyboard case on the newer iPads. If it wasn't for Garage Band she'd probably get a Surface.

If you're happy with what you have, keep on using it.

Arguably they wouldn't. This is for folks who want to buy their first iPad or are upgrading from Air1 or previous.

One reason people might upgrade from that one is I think Apple Pencil isn't supported on the 2014.

This is the lowest end iPad for students and people who just want a basic tablet, it's also only $320. It has the CPU out of the iPhone 7 and pencil and keyboard support. I own the previous 2018 one and combined with the pencil it's a pretty great tablet for a good price. Used it a lot for note taking in the past and to control media around the house.

I have the exact same iPad. It's a stretch to say it has no performance issues. It's sluggish, at best. It's not so bad that I'm ready to buy a new one. But it's slow, it's memory constrained.

It is damn impressive though. Many laptops don't have a working life near this long before they become unusably slow.

Same boat here, I got an iPad Air (first gen) refurbished many years ago. Still works great, and I used it this morning. Showing no signs of not working properly, unlike old iPhones seem to do when they're dated. I like the new ones, but I can't imagine spending money on one in my current situation.

I recently inherited a gen1 iPad Pro (9.7in) and did not realize the Pro models were originally released in 2015/2016. I can see it being relevant for quite a while, especially considering I don't use it for anything "Pro" in nature.

I have an even older iPad 4 since 2012; I use it for a single purpose, flying (LSA planes) with a specific app that has no comparable (good enough) version for Android. I will not upgrade until the app will no longer work, I guess you will do the same.

I have an Air 2 as well but my screen is cracked. The glued glass/display is great however the cost to repair is nearly equal to what I paid (on sale). The current ipad does not have a similar display setup.

They gave a number, something like 60% of new iPad owners are buying in at this level. Assuming there's truth to that number then this is meant as an entry-level iPad, not an "upgrade".

I upgraded from the iPad Air 2 to the iPad Air 3. Performance is better (mostly noticeable when upgrading apps), the display is slightly larger, which is nice.

Well, if you bought a new iPad mini in 2014, Apple is deprecating your device in this release.

Based on previous iPad deprecations, your iPad Air 2 will probably be deprecated within the next two years.

Convenience and security wise, you'd want to buy a new device before your old one is made incompatible with new iOS releases.

Still waiting for xcode for iPad. If iPads are to be taken seriously as a laptop replacement we have to be able to make software with them. I'm confident Apple will eventually get there though.

Agreed. I tried to make it work (for a mix of systems and web development) and although it's possible, it's ham-fisted at best. I would love to see some first-class developer support for the iPad (or Pro only, not picky, although this seems like only a software solution).

I don't think Apple seriously sees them as laptop replacements, not in the complete sense. For some people yes, but not in general.

I think they'll get there with XCode or something like it eventually, but there are already several dev environments for the iPad. They are primarily aimed at people for whom code is a tool, who code to get their job done, rather than people coding to produce apps for distribution, but they can do that too.

Codea (Lua) is one, Pythonista and Pyto (Python) are two more. Once you develop the app on the iPad, once it's ready for release you copy the code into an XCode template and submit it to the App Store.

iPads used to be just pure consumption devices (video, web, books). But now they can actually be used for media production and writing.

The only thing still missing is software development, but that's a bit of a special case anyway.

Apple have never marketed the iPad in that way. Right from their very first presentation introducing the device, they have promoted productivity and creative apps for iPads. Pages, Numbers and Keynote were available from day 1 and Garageband came out a few months later. There were already art apps out for the iPhone and iPad versions were available within weeks of launch.

Yes they have. Apple constantly market the iPad pro as a laptop replacement.

I wonder if Swift Playgrounds will get access to SwiftUI, it seems an obvious feature to me.

I can't believe Apple made an dense and ugly slide like this: https://boygeniusreport.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/apple-ip...

It's dense (but they've had dense slides before) and it's a departure from their previous aesthetic (which they've also done before) but it's not objectively ugly.

Looks like a Grafana dashboard :)

Personally I’ve never used an iPad (nothing against, just more of an android guy) but I’m more surprised that split view, pop over, custom fonts, external storage displayed in the storage viewer and all are apparent just new on it. Phone I can understand but on tablet it seems late.

Based on using a 10.5" iPad Pro since 2017, I believe what this slide is saying is that all of these things are new to the volume priced iPad, which after all just got an upgrade to the 3 year old A10.

On my Pro, I've had most of the stuff on this slide from the beginning. Not sure about custom fonts as I've never looked into it, and I think native external storage support is new in the upcoming OS (though it was achievable with third-party apps since iOS 11).

But yeah, bottom line of this slide is that these formerly pro-only features are now in the $329 product.

The 7th Gen is still lacking the quad speaker setup, ProMotion 120Hz refresh rate, True Tone and does not feature a fully laminated screen. At least, it has retained the 3.5mm audio jack. Although, the 10.5" (2017) iPad Pro will remain the superior choice for those willing to hunt it down; the new entry level model has a very attractive price tag.

I don't think people buy apple products for the amazing cutting edge features. Android has beaten apple to just about every feature ever.

People buy apple for the same reason they buy a Mercedes. It does all the same stuff, but it feels nicer.

Yeah.. last years all presentations are all about specs. Might have to sell my shares in a year or 2

jve is short for j onathani ve? Anyway, I thought the same when I saw that slide (and a couple others).

> jve is short for j onathani ve?


It has the A10 bionic chip(which is 3 years old), Same as last yeras model. It is very similar to iPad 6th gen. They should have atleat put A11.

I would love to see the pricing of their chips to understand the upgrade cycle. It looks like A10->A11 transitioned them from 16 to 10 nm, I wonder if the newer process is still appreciably more expensive for them?

1. Yes.

2. 10nm is a short term node, only as a stepping stone to 7nm.

3. A-11 would move it too close to Pro.

Since they did not mention EUV in their A13 presentation, I am betting A13 is actually a 7nm+ design. And all 7nm are long term node, iPad upgrade path might look more like A10 >> A12 > A13 over the span of next 3 - 4 years.

Especially when the iPad Mini 5 has the A12.

USB-C or lightning?

It is compatible with the 1st Gen Pencil only, which has a Lightning plug to charge it, so I presume that the iPad has a corresponding Lightning port.

It's compatible with 1st Gen Apple Pencil which charges through Lightning... so lightning I guess.

Disappointing though :/

There’s something completely whackadoo about charging an iPad and then discharging the iPad in order to charge the pencil.

It also comes with a female to male Lightning adapter so you can charge it off a USB charger, charging it off the iPad is intented to be a "on-the-go" backup solution, not the primary way you charge it.

>Disappointing though :/

Esp as it makes it less likely new iPhone will be USB.

The iPhone 11 is also Lightning. So, if I'm remembering correctly, only the current iPad Pros are USB-C.

> only the current iPad Pros are USB-C

Correct, but the new iPhones come with a USB-C charger and a USB-C to Lightning cable, so at least that’s a step in the right direction.

I'd assume no change, so lightning, since they didn't mention it.

Lightning, so all the schools with the classroom cabinet will just have to swap the iPads and not the power supplies. Plus all the accessories still work.

Am thinking about picking one of these up for my daughter, 32GB seems a bit stingy though, will that be enough for apps and games?

I would say it's pretty rare that younger people store media locally on their devices these days. I personally would like to but my music collection is >125 GB of mostly mp3 v0 files so I don't bother.

currently I'm using 28 GB of storage on my pixel 2 (including os install). 32 GB would be a bit cramped, but probably sufficient for the next couple years if she doesn't have tons of games installed.

Hmmm... You say that but my music collection is 3+ tb of flacs so that's not fitting on any sd card currently. I have a 64gb phone with a 200gig SD card in and whenever I consider getting a larger one, or a phone with more storage I realise that there's no point as I'm only thing to get another free percent of music on there. Given that I routinely copy/listen/delete music to my phone I'm not sure in practice there's a lot of difference between a 64/128gb phone with an SD card slot and just a 32/64gb phone without it.

> You say that but my music collection is 3+ tb of flacs

Can the DAC on your Android actually benefit from the FLACs? Might make sense to re-encode the library into a format better suited to the playback hardware and leave the FLACs at home where the audio hardware benefits from it.

At home I use a dragonfly red DAC paired with some open back sennheisers. But even when I'm out and about I benefit from FLAC. I use some noise cancelling Sony headphones which use the lossy LDAC codec over Bluetooth. My FLACs sounded noticeable better over LDAC, I guess because the music is only compressed once.

this is actually a great point that didn't occur to me. when you play audio over Bluetooth, you don't have much control over which codec gets used. if there's a high probability that your music gets transcoded in flight, you really don't want to start with a lossy source. lossy-lossy conversions are one of the only ways to create encoding artifacts that the typical person will actually notice.

Sounds good to me. Wired headphones or aptx hd bluetooth. Benefit from the flacs? I mean, it's just CD quality. 1980's standards! It's amusing how many other elements of technology are massively improved from the 1980's, and some of which are still improving, and yet CD was pretty much perfect, and it's STILL seen as some odd, edge-case extremist for wanting to listen to it and not, I dunno, 128kbps mp3s or whatever.

enthusiasts aren't necessarily using the onboard DAC. plenty of small external DACs exist that can receive a digital audio stream over the phone's USB.

I use the dragonfly red, a fantastic dac and amp that was significant upgrade over the built in phone one.

I’ve tried the Dragonfly on my phone and tablet and it was very unstable, and to my knowledge it was the only one to buy from friends who are far more knowledgeable on that than me.

I use it with the excellent USB Audio Player Pro. It uses its own driver for external DACs, I guess because the Android one is not fit for purpose.

if you routinely copy a portion of your music to your phone, of course it makes sense to get more storage. I just don't bother doing that, because of the inevitable frustration of trying to play a song that isn't actually on my phone. rather than switch between streaming and local music all the time, I've just given in to streaming.

"if you routinely copy a portion of your music to your phone, of course it makes sense to get more storage."

Well, if you've only got a portion then the only difference between having 10% and 99% is how frequently you have to copy new music on/how long you can go without having to copy new music, at least in my case, where I delete albums off the phone as I play them, and copying music between linux server and android phone via samba/wifi is fast and simple. Streaming - ugh... i use public transport including the tube, I fly (sometimes), I end up in areas without perfect coverage, and I listen to flac so you can't stream that well, and it would take a lot of data, and the choice is limited, and I'd be renting music not owning it forever. Streaming doesn't solve a single problem for me (my daughter loves it, though).

Listening to flac on the tube... pick your battles! Can you hear the lack of compression over the rattling and shrieking?

Back in the day i used to listen to CDs on the tube and no-one told me I should be listening to a cassette based walkman instead. What's changed?

personally I just don't like to decide what I'm listening to ahead of time. I like to have my whole library available at any time. I'd love to have all my flacs/v0s on my device, but it just isn't feasible with current capacities/prices.

music is an extremely personal thing though. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that people have very different usage patterns.

I stream, but I also have Spotify keep ~4,000 songs worth of saved playlists on my phone for flights and driving in areas with no service, etc.

It really depends on the usage. Our iPads don't have cellular and our kid often watches movies and tv in the car. I've also downloaded YouTube videos so they can watch. 32GB is a very small amount of space for that kind of usage.

Yes, it's stingy. No, it won't be enough. It might be enough if she doesn't want/need to store media locally. But, if she wants to keep movies, music, and photos available offline, she'll run out fast. If you can swing it, 64gb is a much more reasonable starting point.

My daughter has 64GB version and she often struggles with insufficient storage. And she doesn't really have much media, just a bunch of games and apps.

Depends on the game, an AAA could be several GB by itself. On the other hand you can have 100s of smaller games on a few GB...

> On the other hand you can have 100s of smaller games on a few GB…

You need really small games, Monument Valley or King of Dragon Path are not especially big games but they're both well above 200MB.

Though you can certainly fit games in way less (Shaun Inman's Horror Vacui and Last Rocket are 1.xMB, Passage is 110K) the data-light games are few and far between.

It does sound stingy although it's mostly media (audio and video) that's the storage killer.


I dont understand why there are incremental updates to these devices every year. It doesn't seem like a big deal to me. Do it every two or three years and it'll probably end up being better products anyway.

Because they aren't targeting the people who upgrade every year. The current iPads (and iPhones) are for the people with 4-5 year old devices.

For them it's not an "incremental upgrade", 4-5 yearly incremental upgrades sums up to one big upgrade.

There are enough people every year who need a new tablet. Millions of people would've bought iPad 3 years ago, for them this would be significant upgrade.

Doing updates every few years means half the internet is going to spend 2 of every 3 years complaining "I don't want to buy a years-old device" and asking "should I wait, is there going to be a new one soon?".

Continuous delivery has also shown itself to be a much more reliable way to deliver technology products at all. Compared to shipping 10 new features in a year, shipping 30 new features in 3 years is much more than 3x harder.

The short answer is because people will pay for them.

I still use first gen iPad for occasional Netflix and it's working just fine. Hopefully Netflix won't drop the support for older clients like YouTube did.

I don’t understand the large screen bezels on non-pro versions of the iPad in late 2019. Once they release a cheap iPad without large bezels, I’ll get one.

Don't bezels make it easier to hold without touching the screen?

Thin bezels on a tablet just seem uncomfortable.

Yes; I find it strange they have gone down the thin bezels and non-curved edge route with iPad. It seems much less ergonomic, and a big reason for me to hold off upgrading.

I read into it that having some specs for announcements has become more important that the spec itself. I also note the increasing number of specs that are announced in these events which were already in the previous model(s).

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