this is a different observation than some random non-blackmailing sex offender sitting 2 spots away in the bus.
When Epstein was in prison, Alfredo Rodriguez tried selling Epstein's black book for $50k. Until he was arrested for obstruction of justice. The government had a list of all the victims (and in all likelihood the clients / targets).
speaking of character assassination, remember when Musk was calling one of the cave divers a pedophile? (he saving kids stuck in a cave, and provided feedback that Musk's device was useless)
why wine and dine with Epstein, but then call a cave diver who actually saves children a pedophile?
why did Musk dare insinuate the diver was a pedophile, but did he not dare or care to say the same about Epstein?
this Epstein creep was really intelligent in his blackmail targets: he seems to have focused on people with stable positions of power like tech leaders (also business, academia?), as opposed to politicial leaders or party affiliated people as dumber blackmailers usually try: blackmailing partisan people is guaranteed to backfire sooner or later since roles switch by election every term or two.
It blew up in the news because of his ties with Donald Trump, Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew.
There is a famous quote: "I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy… He’s a lot of fun to be with. He likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side." -- Donald Trump.
2) Prince Andrew is not elected, princes don't have terms where new princes get rotated every term.
3) The fact that that 2 out of 3 were political leaders only seems to prove my point, and Trump, Clinton (and possibly others) would have been Epstein's "mistakes" from the perspective of the strategy.
(I upvoted your comment, because it adds to my interpretation)
Outstanding journalism from a company known for their top 10 cat picture you _just can't resist!_
if you are at a party, and some partypooper is present, do you actually stay?
The dinner was organized by John Brockman, literary agent for many of the figures who bragged about his ties to Epstein to his clients (e.g. https://newrepublic.com/article/154826/jeffrey-epsteins-inte...).
Brockman organized the dinners as part of his running the Edge Foundation, a foundation funded substantially (reportedly some years entirely) by Epstein.
> As Brockman himself put it after one such dinner in 2004, “last year we tried ‘The Science Dinner’. Everyone yawned. So this year, it’s back to the money-sex-power thing with ‘The Billionaires’ Dinner’.”
"How could they know" he was there? Because this was _Epstein's dinner_.
As soon as you know someone is "ex-communicated" from society you must go out of your way to never ever possibly see or interact with them forever for life?
Get real. I'm not turning around to go home every time I see an "ex-communicated" individual.
Who keeps track of this list of individuals, where do I go to get an updated list so I can immediately vacate when one arrives? What happens if someone is added to the list after I have met them?? Am I on the list by association??
This is bonkers.
I believe that the list of individuals is available online in real time, it's called the sex offender registry.
The basic idea is that we do expect some degree of moral responsibility from our leaders, elected or otherwise. Most of them absolutely operate with and require some public support.
People are just setting a higher bar for what that support requires.
The litmus test for what HN suppresses is in which topics one side (but it's only ever one) can talk like this without a stern talking to or threat of bans.
There is much less interest, it seems, on the big picture: we're talking about someone who had been convicted for sexual abuse of minors and sex trafficking, with about 34 minors involved; convicted for just one case, allowed to benefit from a non-prosecution agreement, given a joke sentence and let go. The judge who allowed this said "I was told he belonged to intelligence and he was above my pay grade". I had a hunch this judge might have died later in mysterious circumstances, so I googled him. He's not dead: he became the US Secretary of Labour with Trump.
So Epstein was free to fly around with his private jet full of underage sex slaves, to and from his private island, and to keep meeting and forming ties with powerful people from all over the world- industrialists, politicians, presidents, royals. In his safe they found money, diamonds, and a fake passport with stamps from many countries.
The other day I was reading a random conversation on the internet from a couple of months ago. One person was recapping these facts, another was replying: "if this is true, Epstein's life in prison will be very short". A few days later he was dead. The guards were not watching and the cameras were not working.
The picture that is forming is that of someone managing a high end prostitution ring, for many years, probably with the intent of collecting blackmail material, and probably working for some foreign intelligence.
That Elon Musk, Minsky or anyone else might have met him at a dinner table should be absolutely the last of our concerns.
See, I can do that too
People who don't believe the stories about Musk will end up regretting them as many now do those about Epstein.
No one's saying that what Epstein did wasn't wrong, everyone's saying that people who interacted with him weren't necessarily involved, nor was it their responsibility to cause a ruckus about it.