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Do you have background in the field of giant power supply fault tolerance backup mishap management strategies, or something? Or are you just stating and assuming all of this is obvious, covered by standard planning, instead of easy to say in hindsight? Cause you're making a lot of statements, saying it is such, without backing it up. Maybe it is super obvious, but personally I'm impressed by the strategies that were in place.



Would you not prioritise an airport, a hospital, the railway, over residential areas?

Do you not think that trains should be able to resume ASAP? Do you not think that "it never happened before" is not a valid reason to be unprepared?

Do you not think that "we never had to use it before" is not a valid reason to explain why an emergency generator might not work when needed?

What backing up do you need?


"Would you not prioritise an airport, a hospital, the railway, over residential areas?" Yes and they do.

As mentioned, things get added to the grid all the time, case of the airport was that it was not on a priority list. Yes that is an oversight, but who's fault and accountability we do not know. The onus would of been in the airport to inform the power distribution and if that failed to happen then the airport would be the ones with the hands up, if they was and the distribution failed to add it, then their hand would go up.

But hospitals as I mentioned operate and a designed and planned for such issues with them having backup power supplies. Which is the solution for many installations as many will not have or justify the cost of being upon their own distribution spur.

As for the "we never had to use it before" that's down the testing and covered in previous comments fairly well without repeating it again.

But if you wish to focus upon being able to point a finger at somebody and say it is there fault, then fine. But I and I'm sure many others would not be focusing upon that, though I can appreciate that mentality due to the way media/tabloids cover such and all issues in life. After all, power cuts today are not that common on this scale, decades past and in less developed countries they would be so common that they wouldn't even make the news.

But remember, if the weather forecaster says it will not rain and you go out and a light shower makes you wet - would the forecast be wrong or would we have the mentality to go, that mistake was within acceptable parameters and just one of those things. It gets down to what we are used to and what we accept. So yes, I get that blame need to be lain in many eye's but is that fair all the time?

But then - nothing is perfect - better to focus on getting closer to perfection than expending energy stagnating as too busy pointing the finger.


I'm pretty sure there is a lot of people who is interested to know if this is someone's fault, and I don't think it has anything to do with how media covers this issues. I think it's a good thing, in fact.

This failure may be within acceptable parameters and it may be simply meaningless to try to find someone truly responsible for it. But you seem to be unreasonably reluctant to believe that maybe it's not.

I understand that it's interesting to analyze what happened from a more technical perspective, but of course a proper investigation has to be conducted to find the responsible if there happens to be one (or more).


"But you seem to be unreasonably reluctant to believe that maybe it's not."

WE have covered many area's, trains, planes and hospitals (maybe a movie there). Sure I'd rather focus on the technical aspects and not presume this was something totally avoidable. Rather look at each nuance instead of the binary blame game. Which is not clear cut. After all - we don't know what SLA's supply contracts are in place now do we. But nothing is ever 100%. But it is possible to argue both sides of the coin and without ALL the details, go around in circles.

If we really want to blame anybody - why not just blame God for allowing it to happen and move on. Leave it to the report, which will happen into the incident and associated fallout to cover all that and discuss any blame then, once all the facts are in. But remember - we do not know what the SLA levels are, so all those fallouts take on a whole new perspective of blame. Equally, you can have a problem and nobody is to blame - though God works for those, at least "Act of God" is actually used in insurance contracts (yes worked in that field as well disclaimer, though late 80's early 90's). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_God


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Please don't cross into personal attack here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


I do not work for the grid and last involvment in that area was working for Eastern Electricity Board as an analyst/programmer upon a COBOL DPS7 mainframe circa first half of the 80's and worked upon a new plant management system mostly (distribution level so upto attaching to the main grid). I've had no involvement in that industry since then. I have also worked for the Department Of Health, RAND, and numerous other industries and involvement.

I have no axe to grind. Hope that adds some clarity.


Several people in this thread have said that you are wrong to place blame entirely on the grid. It's unlikely that they all work for power distribution companies.


I have never placed blame entirely on the grid... Can we not lower ourselves into this sort of sordid methods of trying to put words into others' mouths?


You protest a bit too much at this point, methinks.

I am commenting that the scale of the disruption resulting from (only) a 5% drop does not seem reasonable and that some of the issues should have been better handled or avoided altogether.

> But I and I'm sure many others would not be focusing upon that, though I can appreciate that mentality due to the way media/tabloids cover such and all issues in life

That's a personal attack quite out of order.


> > But I and I'm sure many others would not be focusing upon that, though I can appreciate that mentality due to the way media/tabloids cover such and all issues in life

> That's a personal attack quite out of order.

Not really. It's just a societal commentary on how we've conditioned ourselves by the media we consume into passing quick blame instead of taking a slow, reasoned approach to analyzing the event, seeing the compounding factors at stake and only in the face of gross negligence assigning blame.


It is a personal attack and it is not what I have written so also misrepresent my comments.

Neither of which are acceptable.

> seeing the compounding factors at stake and only in the face of gross negligence assigning blame.

You are entitled to have your views. Claiming that there is no blame to assign until it reaches criminal liability is rather odd, though.


I am NOT a safety engineer, and I'm aware how complex that field is, so no, I don't believe that my personal hunches about what might have been a good idea intuitively are somehow better than these people whose actual job it is.

Hence my question about your background. But you implicitly answered that, too.




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