so youtube kids would be a flagrant violation of their new policy. why do they keep recommending this app to me? shouldn't it just be demonitized like they do to countless devs for unstated reasons.
Google has less than zero trust stored and they should probably learn that this means they will lose money (sooner or later).
But I'm happy to see this post and their attempt to improve things in the Play Store. I think there are people at Google that want to do the right thing. Hope they can do so against motivation to blindly increase "engagement", clicks, users, monetization.
By the way, how dare they try to improve YouTube Kids whilst Google Play has an issue.
> YouTube Kids is a video app developed by YouTube. The app provides a version of the service oriented towards children, with curated selections of content, parental control features, and filtering of videos not deemed to be appropriate to the target audience.
: I'm sure there's a ton of controversy because this is the internet and that's what you people do for a living, so I'm sure I'll get some posts claiming he's as mature as a 5 year old or whatever. But Google says born in 1997, which I'm sorry to tell you means he's not a child.
I realize this isn’t something Google can do something about; this is directed at the parents giving an internet connected device to a developing mind.
I will say I tried to be the dad that gave them access on the theory that 'they'll have to learn sometime, better while they're under parental supervision." How wrong I was. The phones are like crack to an addict.
My advice to my friends with significantly younger kids (mine are 14 and 17 now): you don't want your kids to be the first in their cohort to have a phone, and you probably don't want to be last, but you and the parents of their friends should be competing to see who's last.
That's a very interesting observation but to really get it to work requires very close cooperation between parents. That takes a lot of time and goodwill which is not easy to create or maintain except in very special circumstances or in rather closed groups.
Our fatal mistake was to get a phone for our son when he started to walk home from school in case there was any change in the usual schedule. Once the genie is out of the bottle any protocol or agreements are negated pretty much instantly. There are so many pressures to encourage phone use (messaging, etc.) it's impossible to restore any level of control without (potentially severe) social consequences for the kids.
Edit: and what about for parents who don't have the resources or ability to manage that kind of control? My point is that it's not easy, not even in the slightest.
If they’re super young, they’ll entertain without electronics. Give them a coloring book.
If they’re a little older, tell them to go use that Snap Circuits kit. Or here’s a ZX Spectrum and a manual on z80 asm. Or here’s a Nintendo DS and a Pokemon game.
Will Google begin to have every single kids app release go through a human reviewer?
That article is also linked on the fourth word in this article...
However, reviews have been taking days for a while now. Even changing the app store icon now requires days for approval.
It's a bit like Face#### getting preachy about user privacy.
the parental controls for time that phone went off and was available for better then nothing.. but at 14th birthday all parental control and oversight is removed.
I've searched a bit, and found that maybe Disney Circle is the thing closest to what is needed in situations that I have experienced and seen others try to contend with.
'popcorn time' comes to mind as an app that was widely mentioned when searching for the right controls - from what I remember some things with that fell short.
I remember some discussions about an openDNS or similar 'open-souce' dns poisoning service that was similar and competing with disney circle - but when I went to try it out I felt that is was not going to work well and I may not get it to function at all from the docs I saw.
Anyhow, I really want an open source / free alternative the gives parents some controls and clearly explains to teens what is being controlled...
I think all parents need the ability to turn off certain apps, or turn off all apps aside from a whitelist of apps that could be available when the others are turned off.
Phones are tricky today in that we want to limit the access to the games at times, but may want to keep access to a phone app like grooveip or google voice.
whether it's bed time or dinner time, I think many of us want to limit some apps but allow other functions, like actually being a phone to still work / be accessible.
I know some parents want to monitor all discussions, that may be a fine choice - but whatever other monitoring may be available, I'd like the kids to have notices about the monitoring.. from parents, from apps, from govments..
While I'm pouring out mu wishlist here, I want an app that monitors for 'bad words lists )editable and subscribable ) - so that a notice can be sent to parents if words like suicide or kill are detected via text or audio.. but not send entire conversations to parents to pry into every detail, and likely miss important things by getting too much data.
In short, I think google's decision to remove all parental oversight at 13 is not good, and affordable options for better monitoring are not available at the moment - and we should do more and better.
While I'm wishlisting, why the hale don't we have auto detection for curse words in youtube videos (and some other words) and the ability to censor them with beeps or silence - some of the gaming youtubers may be entertaining enough to watch but some of the language that is used so much that it injects itself into the daily vocab of kids like an overplayed rap song is too much. Youtube has the power and code already there for transcribing, it could do this kind of thing easy right?
I have one step-kid that will not use youtube on phone at all do the kids only version at 12 1/2 years old.. and another over 13 that watches so much I worry and wonder.