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Instagram influencers: Have we stopped believing? (bbc.com)
117 points by pseudolus 49 days ago | hide | past | web | favorite | 84 comments



There was a shop that said to influencers they could get a discount only after 30 people used their specific influencer promo code. None of them did (or could do) it.

It’s highly ineffective and for the most part it’s just some entitled person with an inflated ego demanding freebies. Madness to think businesses can really believe they are of any real substance or significance.

Instagram more and more has become a cesspool of materialism and advertising. It’s hauntingly shallow to witness, and the impact on the younger generation who are trying to “keep up” for their own mental sanity are instead being dragged further and further into it. Instagram isn’t the only offender obviously but I think it is the antithesis of the issue.

Having already deleted Facebook, I completely changed up my instagram to show photography photos and things relating to my hobbies, and removed my friends and other “lifestyle” feeds. I can honestly say it felt like an immediate lift of mental clarity and happiness. I kept my friendships and have nothing to prove about the way I choose I live my life. No more scrutiny, no more pining after validation, and most of all, a bit of well deserved privacy.

Bringing up a child in this vapid and self obsessed culture must be like navigating a minefield.

Apologises for the rant. I’m only 29 but I sound like I am 90.


I hesitate to defend a Facebook property, but here goes anyway...

My Instagram feed is 100% welding, machining and a small smattering of woodworking. Literally any project I post gets universally positive feedback, with the occasional constructive suggestion. If I ask for help on a project, I get advice in at most a few hours from someone with 40 years more experience than I have. Contrast this to the forum community for the same thing that has a disturbing tendency to flame out and generally mock newbies.

What I take away from this is that Instagram, like all metaphorical tools, is what you make of it. If you only follow beautiful people, you may only get shallow content. If you follow interesting people who share interesting things, you'll get interesting content.


I agree with you. Instagram is the only social media I still use, and it's mainly because it's so non-toxic. I mostly see stuff related to my hobbies, some comic stripes, some friends I care about. It's by definition a bubble, but it's one that is actually chosen by me. Mainly, its pleasantness comes from the sensation of not being inundated by contents, by the lack of importance that comments have, etc. I bet it's possible to have a different experience, if I followed influencers and whatnot it would be much worst. However, for how I use it, I don't mind it and I actually get to know interesting things.


Same here. I only follow woodworkers and immediately unfollow anyone who gets outside the line of what i want in my feed. It has allowed me to find interesting niches in the hobby and connect with people with 10x the skill who like teaching and talking about technique, but it takes a pretty brutal type of curating to keep the influencers & garbage out.


This comment is surely too late, but I feel like it's worth preserving. I think the woodworking community is more prone to that than the metalworking community. I hate to say it, but I think it's a question of barrier to entry. It's hard to be dilettante in metalworking when it requires a huge investment and moving tens of thousands of pounds of equipment.


Completely agree. I do however think the way the instagram app works you are guided down a path littered with product sales pages, advertising and general mundane materialism. I think at its core this culture is good for their business model.


Somehow I've grown blind to the ads on instagram. I know they are there, if I actively look for them I will find them, but if I close my eyes cannot picture the contents of any ad I've seen lately on on Instagram.

When I scroll through the feed it's like I've subconsciously trained myself to immediately scroll past and ignore sponsored posts, and immediately click past sponsored stories. I can't be the only one in this boat.


Without hawking other items, they’re mostly just making instagram money. I’m not saying it’s good, but the it’s the expected behavior for this incentive structure.


Adjacently related, I follow a lot of artists on Twitter. A recurring complaint, including for myself when I previously used Instagram was non-permissioned and uncredited reposting of artist’s content. As an artist it is a problem for obvious reasons, for a user if I like the work I want to know exactly who did it and why.

Of course this can and does happen on twitter, but I think two thinks make the results more favorable. The first is the poster can get called out on what they did. Secondly, Twitter’s less reliance on algorithmic feeds mean the content theft is less “rewarded.”

The whole Tumblr fiasco upset a lot of artists and pretty much terminated the use of any artists whose work triggered the nudity detection filter, which was easy to do. Twitter gets complaints about compression, especially with videos and pixel art. All of the extra tweets that come with the art has forced me to unfollow a lot of artists whose work I like. Instagram has the issue I just described. All of those billions of dollars invested in consumer content sharing apps and this is the current state of things.


This is a great point. It's not one I would have figured out myself until I actually went and made an interest specific Instagram. It turns out that having absolutely zero ties to people I know in real life makes that account way more pleasant, as it is directly and solely related to my aesthetic and artistic interests.


I want to use Instagram as you describe but only if I could remove the like button. Its existence makes it feel like I’m pandering for likes about anything I post so I just uninstall the app. I want to share things with people with nothing expected in return.


Snapchat fills that role for me. Just fleeting moments or interesting things from the day to day. The impermanence is refreshing.

With pictures posted on social media, I came to realize that I had a certain audience in mind with each post. If I posted a picture of me hiking, I want my hiking friends to see it. So instead of dragging everyone else through my life, I just text my hiking pics to my hiking friends and get a lot more genuine and direct communication as a result.


Exactly....the problem is not Instagram, the problem is what our culture has become. Our technology has helped accelerate that, but it isn't the root cause.


Indeed. Instagram was (is) just a place where people congregate on-line, with particular focus on the visual aspect. It's marketing that infected it, just like it does everything in our lives. If Instagram is to be blamed, it can only be blamed for not fighting back. Unfortunately, it's in their interest for this infection to take hold.


Same here, except with astronomy/astrophotography and outdoors stuff. I like Instagram in that way and don't follow any big celebrities or big influencers, so never see any #ad sort of stuff.


What's your ig account so i can see what you follow? (presumebly not being privatE)


That's good for you. It's great that you found interesting people in Instagram, but that doesn't change the fact that for 95% of users Instagram is as the GP described: a cesspool of shallowness, materialism, false appearances, and a great harm to the mental health of our youth (and not only youth).


Do you have anything to back that up? Most people I know who use Instagram use it for hobbies or a local version of Etsy.

I don’t know a single person who follows these useless Reality TV personalities. I mean, they obviously have a lot of followers, but there is a billion people on Instagram and the highest amount of followers is still in the millions. That’s hardly 95%.


> There was a shop that said to influencers they could get a discount only after 30 people used their specific influencer promo code. None of them did (or could do) it.

I'm not convinced that's a fair measure. Instagram, YouTube, and maybe a couple of things are some of the few advertisements that actually reach me. I run an adblocker and don't watch TV commercials. The ads are generally about things I like, I find them non-offensive, and I have actually made purchases as a result.

> It’s highly ineffective and for the most part it’s just some entitled person with an inflated ego demanding freebies.

I have an "insta-famous" dog more as a hobby than anything, and businesses often offer us things for free or deeply discounted in exchange for fair review and a post with our dog; we never offer/ask. We also have had (major brand) businesses who wanted us to shoot pictures of our dog with their product for their website for free, with no attribution, and with no discount or free products. So, from my perspective, the businesses aren't exactly being taken advantage of here.


Even worse are the kid influencers on YouTube. Kids advertising to other kids. And parents trying to turn their own kids into influencers.

The whole thing is just gross.


Yep, some parents are really making narcissistic douchebags


you mean parents forcefully making their children prodigies in teenis, chess etc. is bad? same goes with youtubers


I think there's huge amount of difference between chess or tennis prodigies promoting their activity by teaching kids the proper techniques vs. Timmy unboxing a new box of Legos and dunking them in Jello #sponsored.


You don't see the difference between Chess and trying to be famous for being famous?


Tennis, chess, violin, singing — these are at least skills that may be valuable later in life. "Instagram influencer" is a net negative for the kid's future. But, yes, I'd say parents making their children excel at anything by force are doing it wrong, and not setting them up for lifelong satisfaction.


>used their specific influencer promo code.

This is like the difference between old web advertising pay per click and new web advertising pay per impression. Getting someone to use a code is an order of magnitude harder to get than a click through.

If you think you are going to get more than just an impression, you're delusional. And most impressions are fake.


> it is the antithesis of the issue

Friendly nitpick: antithesis means the opposite of something. You probably want epitome, archetype, exemplar, quintessence, apotheosis, or similar.


It is a complicated issue, because if you are reviewing products in a niche, and producing truly useful content around it, then getting all the stuff for retail price could be prohibitively expensive.

And doing all of that for hoping that posting the content with a promo code MAY refer 30 people, so that you could get the same item at a discount?

That seems unreasonable.

On the other hand, I have 1st hand experience on how hard it is doing marketing profitably. You are throwing most of your money straight out the window, most campaigns bring in 0 conversions, some even 0 impressions..

So being a busy businessperson juggling all the daily operations stuff, being so done with the bullshit marketing opportunities bringing in nothing, and the freebie seeker influencers, why would this next person asking for stuff be different?


It looks like most of that behavior is a sham and brands are waking up to that. Hopefully people in general are waking up to the sham and don’t get influenced by shallow actors.


> It’s highly ineffective

Other than a click through and sale, it's hard for any advertising to prove effectiveness. Yet, there are still ads on TV and the radio. For many brands, small influencers are a cheap way (some free product and maybe some money) to keep product in front of people when thought of in aggregate.


> Other than a click through and sale, it's hard for any advertising to prove effectiveness.

Advertising industry has a vested interest in keeping things this way, and only maintain perception of effectiveness to milk customers.


Then what happens when competing ad agency calls up your client and explains how bullshit your metrics are? Advertisers compete more than they collude, we don't have a cartel (yet).


How would they know what my metrics are? Chances are, their whole business is based on pulling the same bullshit as I am anyway.

Competition in an industry whose core competency is lying to people doesn't breed trust.


For the most part you are right. But isn't this the normal outcome of a successful business model eventually attracting many imposters because they hear about pros making money.

Companies like Traackr offer saas services to analyze the social graph to make a massive impact with 30 real influencers. This service starts at $30k and they delivered for watch brands and telcos primetime media exposure to millions of potential customers without directly advertising.

If so many people are doing something it probably means some of them are actually making a ton of cash.

https://www.traackr.com/


Apologies for my "lmfao" comment after reading hiven's post. The comment didn't add anything to the conversation and was a dumb mistake.


I dont have Facebook as I found it stupid as fuck when it started.

I dont have Instagram cause why the fuck I would?

I don't even have a LinkedIn since I like privacy on my carreer and because I wanted to do it before it existed lol

I have a "read only" Twitter to follow some friends and technical people which I barely use.

You know what the problem is? Dota2, Hearthstone, Overwatch... Too much time "wasted".


> I dont have [social network] cause why the fuck I would?

Because you have friends, family, and former coworkers in far away places that you enjoy keeping in touch with. It's one thing to write them an email or letter regularly, but it's also nice to open the app and see a random picture of your nephew at the zoo or see a pic from an office birthday gathering or maybe a short clip of a former coworker playing their new guitar. It's a low friction, low effort way to stay connected and it generates happiness.


> it's also nice to open the app and see a random picture of your nephew at the zoo or see a pic from an office birthday gathering or maybe a short clip of a former coworker playing their new guitar.

Serious question: Is there a social network that allows me to do any of those things anymore? The first 10 things on my Facebook feed are:

1. My own un-republished 'memory'. 2. A 'humorous' re-post. 3. Someone else's re-published memory of a humorous re-post. 4. A scammy ad. 5. A photo from someone I know posted to someone I know that I have no interest in. 6. A real person status (in large text with obnoxious background that I thought was a re-post of some meme). 7. A humorous re-post. 8. "People You May Know" 9. A real, honest to god, set of pictures of family and friends. 10. Someone else's memory of a humorous re-post.

If I'm honest, I care about (6) but I'd like it to be actual text, and (9). (5) is acceptable because depending on the photo I'm sometimes interested. So at best we're looking at 30% of content I want, 10% ads, 10% FB trying to sink its claws a little deeper, and 50% other noise. I know I can make my experience better by doing certain things. But those things move around, change, and feel like switches that don't do anything plugged into a black box that just does whatever it wants. So, I'm kind of at a place of 'why bother'.

Instagram mostly works for me, but its photo-oriented and most of the people I know on it are my younger friends. Twitter is a mess. Anything else I've heard of none of my friends or family use.


Instagram is the only social network that works for me. Photos are exactly what I want to see when I open the app (which I do once or twice a week). I follow only people I know personally and I don't follow hashtags or brands.

The percentage of ads is going up and that bothers me. If I could pay a reasonable fee (maybe $5 / month) to get rid of them, I would.


I’m in the same boat. I want an actual social network to keep in touch with people. No memes, no ads (give me the ability to opt out of ads by paying), no creepy “people you may know”, etc.

Is that so hard? I feel like there’s opportunity for a honest business with non-intrusive ads that you can opt out of by paying.


That is an entirely unconvincing argument. Social Networks facilitate those sorts of activities to an astonishingly marginal degree.


Maybe, but there's nothing better right now.


I have experimented with influencers for a notebook that I sell. It has been a mixed bag, but mostly unprofitable. My target audience is musicians - not lifestyle bloggers - so the people I've tried to work with don't quite have the following as the person in this article. Also, I have never experienced an "entitled influencer", though I have come close.

Here was my process:

1. Email 20 people with > n followers asking if I could send them a free book, and if they like it, if they'd be willing to post about it to their followers.

2. 10 of them email me back saying "sure! here's my shipping address."

3. sends 10 books

4. 3 people actually post. Of those: 1 person: for $100 I will post in an IG story. I try this, as they have 90k followers, so even a story mention must be good, right! This results in 1 sale. 2nd person: posts a beautiful picture on their IG. Land a couple of sales. 3rd person: doesn't think of themselves as an influencer, just really likes the product, and mentions it to her viewers, and this results in $300 worth of sales. Awesome!

I think the trick, then, is to find people who don't self-identify as influencers, and who aren't already doing lots of advertising on their channel. Rather than trying to craft a genuine portrayal of life, find people who are actually genuine!

(If anyone on HN has tips, always interested in advice!)


I would almost completely ignore follower count, it’s more of a red flag than anything. Blue checkmarks are similarly useless.

If you are enticed by the supposed reach, perhaps the quickest first pass at validation would be to review the nature of interactions in comments and cross-check other networks they participate in. It may help to pick someone popular in your field whose reputation you would not question, and use their account as a reference point for comparison.

For example, I recently saw an account with 260k IG followers and blue checkmark whose posts average 100+ mostly generic short comments. I compared them to Andrew Kramer, who despite having 90k followers receives as many replies on posts, and those replies are longer and contain substance. Both are within video making industry.

This is not to imply that the 260k guy or their followers are necessarily bots, but their audience is largely disengaged and may be unlikely to convert into paying customers. (Personally I don’t hesitate to use blocking on inauthentic-looking accounts to avoid becoming a node in a fake network—let bots follow other bots.)

In my opinion, “valid” follower counts rarely a few thousands. If it’s much more than that, the person either purchased followers and won’t get you any leads, or (if their name is actually well-known) isn’t going to be interested in promoting products for monetary gains.


^ 100% this.

I bootstrapped my business through Instagram influencers. You have to be extremely targetted around the audience. When judging if an influencer is worth working with, figure out who their audience is and the nature of that interaction.

For example, Imagine I sell an awesome new cat toy for helping shy cats be more social. I don't want to find the cat pages with millions of followers. I want to find the cat expert person who helps their small group of followers deal with their shy cats.

Micro-influencers also work really well. If you can get a person to talk about a product to their group of friends, the ROI is usually much higher than these giant pages. You just have to have a lot of them.


What cat toy do you sell? I have a cat, and would check it out.


Just a hypothetical


I've also dealt with a lot of Instagram influencers for sales promotions, and there's one factor that I found has correlated a lot with the success of my campaigns:

The fact if the account has promoted/is promoting a lot of products.

I found that the fewer products an account promotes, the more your sales/ product awareness increases.

This is not just because followers become saturated with promotions - I believe it's also because Instagram purposely reduces the reach of those accounts that use the "swipe up" link feature too much.


I'm not sure how Instagram works, so sorry if my question is too far off topic:

Your insight seems reasonable, but what is your opinion about Youtube influencers, where the audience is huge, truly engaged, and all of their videos contain ads in the beginning and at the end aswell ALL the time?

Some channels even come with an enragingly subtle transition where you only realise you are watching an ad when you watched half of the ad, but the content is so good you cannot hate them enough to stop watching the channel?

Do these ads perform poorly aswell?


In my experience, it really depends on how the product fits their audience.

In general, I don't think most products can find good ROI when using Youtube influencers, simply because of 2 reasons:

• There's no easy way of leading people to links on Youtube. This means that even if you have a great ad, one that is super relevant to your audience, a lot of those people simply won't take the time to go to the video's description to click on a link. On Instagram, you can just put a practical swipe-up link on stories.

• Even when the ad is good, people want to see the Youtuber doing whatever made them click on the video. For this reason, ads are mostly ignored - and when you add this to the surprising amount some big YouTubers charge for ads, it really diminishes any decent ROI.


Sounds like genuine interest is worth more than number of followers. The question is, how do you discover users who would have genuine interest and would share with like-minded friends? hashtag searches?


> Sounds like genuine interest is worth more than number of followers. The question is, how do you discover users who would have genuine interest and would share with like-minded friends? hashtag searches?

Analyze follower of followers once you've identified a few users who seem like potential fits for your space. I've seen this strategy work well in other social channels as well like twitter.


Would you be willing to explain this a little bit more?


Step 1: Read the comments of their post. Get an idea of the nature of the interaction.

Step 2: Look at who actually follows them. Are they real people? Are they bots?

Step 3: Look at how many products they promote through all their products. The more the worse.


Maybe the production quality of someone's social media is an indicator?


The whole Instagram influencer phenomenon can be obnoxious and sometimes kind of sad... but it's been a kind of godsend to athletes from niche sports that can gather a sizable Instagram audience but make very little money. And the main athletes I have in mind are figure skaters. Even if they win Olympics or the World Championships they can't make much money. But they can gather a sizable Instagram audience which make them attractive to brands. I'm sure this applies to a lot of Olympic sports where fame is fleeting.


> Influencers also get a harder time than celebrities in terms of their credibility, Ms Tasker says.

> "I think there's an unfair sense that influencers have no talent beyond content creation, so we hold them to much higher standards in their work.

> "In my experience, celebs are far worse for disclosing brand partnerships and misleading audiences, but aren't held to account by their followers in the same way."

I just realized that this has always been the basis of my inability to understand why 'influencers' are even a thing.

It's like deciding to buy a car based on which car show model is most appealing, and then making other decisions based on which brand of water they drink or which bandages they use to cover their scraped knee after they've fallen down while jogging. Seriously, what other talent is involved? And why would I make a decision based on that?

As for celebrities, at least some of them have some level of skill in acting or music or sports. I guess this is just the disruption of the celebrity print magazine market, like People or Tiger Beat.


You're thinking of it from the wrong direction. It's not about talent, but just another advertising channel. Why people follow an influencer can be for all sorts of reasons, but those are not important.

An ad on IG on a popular apparel keyword might be ~$1-$3 per click for a high cost demo (the exact demo who follows influencers). Apparel is notoriously inexpensive to create, so a shoe company could send out free pairs to a bunch of small (10k-20k followers) influencers and likely come out ahead.

This trick of using influencers to bypass the high cost CPC of IG proper is why IG keeps changing the algorithm to bury ad like posts and force either the brands to advertise directly or the influencers to pay to boost their posts.


https://www.amazon.com/Influence-Psychology-Persuasion-Rober...

If you're interested in the subject of why models with car works and other techniques over used in most advertising media check out "Influence the Psychology of Persuasion".

It's possible to catch yourself recommending or telling a story about a product you heard about from a friend. You think a friend told you, but then you realize after seeing a paid ad for the product it was a memory created by you. Disturbing when you realize it happens.


Just a mirror for the attention craving 24h breaking news cycle society where the biggest fear for most teenagers and adults is irrelevance and being normal.


Yet, most of them are pretty scared to actually do something not normal.

It is mostly about looking interesting and individual, not beeing individual.


Is it much different today than when we were ostracized as kids for not wearing abercrombie or having a razr? Teenagers have never not been materialistic and vain. They have nothing truly significant going on in their life to focus on yet, so they pick each other apart to stratify themselves.

At the reunion in 20 years, these people will be much more interested in who became the oncologist instead of who wore gucci slides in geometry and currently folds jeans at the gap.


It doesn't really matter if the accident was staged or not. Profiting from a real accident is worse than staging a fake one. More broadly, it simply isn't possible to publicly document events like this (even if they're happy events) without cheapening them. This is the fundamental problem with instagram (and other social media) and my sense is that people are becoming increasingly aware of it. By publicizing yourself (and your life), you are lying. The only way to truly reveal yourself to other people is through action (words and deeds).

So I agree with the article that we're in the midst of a backlash against the whole "influencer" thing. As usual with these things, that backlash has already occurred in the weird, unclean corners of the internet and now it's spreading into the mainstream. I don't know where things will end up, but it will be interesting to see.

I suspect that there are healthy ways to use social media but they will require a self-awareness that the first generations of social media users lacked.


I'll believe we've stopped believing when there aren't hoards of vapid swimsuit/skimpy athletic wear "models" with 1m-10m followers.

I know of one brand that charges you a monthly fee to sell you a monthly PDF aimed towards physical, mental, and spiritual wellness. Let's just say that... the group behind that isn't starving because enough people are buying it up.

How did that business get started? Why... skimpy bathing suit photos, of course. :)


Probably 95% of followers on large accounts are bots. And I can tell you of my friends who follow models on instagram, they sure as hell aren't looking at the product placement.


Instagram influencers is a fancy new word for advertising. You pay someone to shill your product or service; the only new angle is where you find it.


I really hope we have.

There was some clown a while back that tried to sell a clothing line and did basically no promotion, so her supplier cancelled because on launch day she didn't manage to put together 30 orders for shirts.

I think there need to be a lot more cases like that before this really goes by the board though, unfortunately.


Seems to me that is poor product-market fit; clowns rarely need shirts, as they typically wear blouses and other loose fitting tops that exaggerate their antics.


To me, it looks like she really did have an accident, discover she would be ok then asked someone to take photos for Instagram. Which is a lot worse than staging it IMHO.


Why? She likes sharing, documenting, capturing, photographing her life. This is her life. She had a crash/accident, here are the photos.

The problem is that people can't handle this, thus the demand and response is exaggerated.


I was just imagining myself in her shoes and thinking that taking photos would be the last thing on my mind. I don't do blogging for a living so can't relate to her. I'm sure you're right. This is her life and she documents everything.


Apparently people don't know how to "stop believing" properly? That would be admitting you don't know what really happened and being comfortable with the uncertainty.

To conclude it was staged is to trade one belief about someone you don't know for another.


I believe a huge fraction of Tinder profiles are in fact Instagram models attempting to attract followers so they can become influencers. I bet if you use a bot w/ their API and change your location around, say "I'm never on here, lol, IG me at __, lol <kiss emoji>" -- and you look like a model -- then you can gain hundreds, or perhaps thousands of followers easily.


She obviously didn't crash her bike.

-Bike appears undamaged (mirrors would be smashed at minimum)

-She says she injured her left side of her body, yet left side of he body appears dirty yet completely intact in photos despite the fact her skin was uncovered. Road rash destroys skin - I've seen pretty severe road rash from a fall from a skateboard.

-"Wounds" were bandaged by ambulance, yet, once again - what wounds?


Founder of the biggest UK platform here (also active in Germany and US). Influencers have been talked down for the whole four years we’ve been active.

Don’t forget what we’re comparing this to. Banner ads! Instagram influencers who are thoughtful and authentic are great. If you don’t like it you can unfollow the influencer. Same cannot be said of banner ads where the end user has little control and you get chased between platforms with units that often have little relavance to your interests.


>Instagram influencers who are thoughtful and authentic are great.

If your main focus is slinging products, I don't see how that equates to being thoughtful or authentic; especially, when your end-goal is just chasing the next few quid.

For example, I'd expect Neill DeGrasse Tyson's IG to be far more thoughtful and authentic than, say, Amanda Strand's IG.


>Founder of the biggest UK platform here (also active in Germany and US).

I sincerely have no idea what this statement means. What is a platform in this context?


Influencer advertising platform, I suppose.


You're comparing an annoying browser behavior to a cultural phenomenon that (in my opinion) has had a net negative influence on impressionable segments of the population. Advertising is a race to the bottom where once target audiences get attuned to the ad format (pop ups, banner ads) and begin to filter it out, the format shifts further towards native content where it becomes more difficult to discern between honest advice/opinion and shilling. It's gross.


What about that lady that received a chair in her head from an "influencer" throwing stuff down from a hotel room. Did she get a chance to "unfollow"? I see this whole "influencer" thing as the modern prostitution. Couple that with the "it's a prank bro" guys and you have a great recipe.


I tried to look this up and found a story, but nobody was struck by the chair...


My problem with outrage at situations like this is that positive or neutral occurrences in our life are seen as normal to share while negative experiences are seen as too precious or manipulative. Bad things happen and people should be able to talk about them or treat them as other major events.


Never believed in shilling to begin with.


It is just sad when you see that humans are losing their humanity!




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