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Thanks for bringing up how this is Google's fault -- or, at least, the failure of Google and everyone else who isn't Apple.

iMessage has lots of problems. I've screwed it up a lot of times switching SIM cards, I can never understand why it needs to know if I want to contact my iMessage contact by email or by phone number, or why the messages thread differently depending on what I use. But it GENERALLY works okay.

Meanwhile, I use Signal with one friend, and just about every time I launch the damn app on my phone or desktop, it complains that I need an update, or I need to re-link something, or my safety numbers of changed, or some such crap.

And it's all better than Messenger.

And all of THAT stuff is better than Google's incessant abandonware. I loved hangouts.. until I didn't.




>I use Signal with one friend, and just about every time I launch the damn app on my phone or desktop, it complains that I need an update, or I need to re-link something

If you regularly need to relink Signal Desktop, it is likely your disk is failing and corrupting the sqlite DB that Signal Desktop uses. Back up your other data ASAP!


I've repeatedly needed to relink Signal Desktop when launching it after long spans of non-use (months). The first time was probably at least a year ago, if I had to guess, and I've had no signs of disk failure.


I suggest trying https://wire.com with your friend, way less fuss than Signal.


Use Telegram, Luke! :-) It's almost perfect. The only thing I can imagine that could make it better is an option to sort its contacts list manually.


>It's almost perfect

All it needs is research-verified encryption!


Oh, come on! The $200000 bounty for breaking Telegram encryption is there forever. SHA-1 BTC piƱata was broken in 2017[1], and MTproto still stands.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13714987


Russian government needed to use it's leverage on a telco to break into political activist's Telegrams[2] about the same time some script kiddies easily broke into dozen of celebs' iClouds.

[2] https://www.ft.com/content/74d5ce00-12dd-11e6-839f-292294709...


Using phishing and other social engineering to steal passwords is unrelated to breaking crypto.


We use Wire. It has none of those annoyances, works on the desktop, web, iOS, Android, has voice calls and conferences.

Also, Signal didn't quite work in the UAE.




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