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Do we really need to talk about closing down a site where people encourage each other to kill other people (no matter who does it)? Why is it so important that there are no exceptions to freedom of speech? Seriously, I just don’t get how the purity of the concept of freedom of speech can be so important that it beats common sense.



"Do we really need to talk about closing down a site where people encourage each other to kill other people"

Oh, so you are in favor of shutting down all army related sites? Well, many pacifist would probably agree ..


Since there are no army related sites which encourage people to kill other people I'm not in favor of that and you are free to convince me otherwise by providing a link. But, if they were doing this I would be in favor of shutting them down, yes.


Army is all about how to kill other people. Not hypothetically, very real. Every day.

And governemnts openly advertise for it. On websites, (even in schools). And private enthusiasts maintain forums where army people discuss about the current wars and how to better kill the current enemy. Etc. Etc.


> Army is all about how to kill other people.

Not necessarily. The purpose of armies is to win wars. If it was possible to win wars without killing people they wouldn't kill people. In fact they are trying to minimize collateral damage. It's different with white supremacists. They have a direct interest in killing people. There is no collateral damage for them, which is also why they do mass shootings and the army usually doesn't.


Most of the latter are interested in expelling those they don't consider their own, violence to most of them is just a means to an end, otherwise "go back" or "send them back" would not have been their rallying cry.

Some really do want to kill people, but then again would you deny that the army or even the police doesn't get their fair share of these people?


I guess we already made the experiment what would happen if white supremacists would lead a country, so we can already tell that it's likely that "sending them back" isn't going to cut it, if "they" refuse to leave.


I think the vast majority of bigots are low-level blowhards who don't even understand their own viewpoints. Only a small percentage of those actually cause direct harm to others.

I don't know the answer, but I know that indiscriminate restrictions on freedom of speech aren't the answer.

It saddens me that this paraphrased prose I'm about to write even has to exist.

First they came for the Nazis, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Nazi.

Then they came for the racists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a racist.

Then they came for the bigots, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a bigot.

Then they came for the rich, and I did not speak out— Because I was not rich.

Then they came for the religious, and I did not speak out— Because I was not religious.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


Have you an example in history when a lack of censorship posed a problem?

I don't, so I value it very much. There were attrocities in my countries in the name of common sense on the other hand.

Even if intuitive, censorship isn't an answer to anything.


I don’t consider deleting calls for violence towards minorities censorship. And I do think that history has shown too many times that propaganda is a powerful tool, that needs to be restricted. I mean you are free to doubt common sense, but I think doubting common sense is always the first step of becoming fanatic. What would be the country you are talking about? The way I could imagine for someone to commit atrocities out of common sense would be if he has a gun pointed to his head.


We are not talking propaganda here, these are individual actors. Some just like to provoke a reaction, some have these believes and I have seen people turning their back on these platforms innumerable times.

Regardless of the reason people visit these places, the moment they get external pressure, their believes get vindicated. We see a large surge in issues with these communities since we got on our little censorship trip. It is just plainly the wrong move to make.

There have been Nazis on the internet since shortly after its inception. But random people going out and shooting crowds in this frequency is a new phenomenon.

Historically censorship has always been applied for the right reasons of course.


This historical comparison just isn't fair since at no point in human history the possibilities of communication were anywhere close to what they are now.


>>>Do we really need to talk about closing down a site where people encourage each other to kill other people (no matter who does it)?

That's a fairly simple metric. So you're saying we can finally shut down Twitter?

https://youtu.be/n2Gu7NqsCfg


Freedom of speech is not without exceptions. You can't yell, "fire" in a crowded theater when there is no fire for example.

Everyone here wants that perfect idealistic and pure world, unfortunately that's now the world we are given. Problem is many here want to just treat the world we have as the idealistic model world as if there is no difference.




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