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Protesters in Hong Kong are getting attacked by masked thugs (twitter.com)
83 points by yasp 56 days ago | hide | past | web | favorite | 32 comments



The Chinese and HK government's have realized they've lost the culture wars and public opinion so they've resorted to the tried and tested handibook of authoritarian governments, to create a cycle of violence to create justification for cracking down.

This is a provocation. Protesters will now counter arm themselves with similar bats and sticks, which in turn will give the police extra justification when they uncover "weapons". It will be used by the Chinese domestic media as justification to crack down hard.


I despair for the protesters hope to have self determination. How can we help the people who just want to be free? China will just keep increasing the pressure, trying to get an excuse for sending out the police and arresting or beating them all up.


Police turn blind eye on thug's assault https://streamable.com/wlfoq


CONFIRMED: Pro-Beijing lawmaker Junius Ho shook hands with suspected gangsters, who very likely are the same batch of people attacking passengers in Yuen Long Station few hours ago.

https://www.facebook.com/hkcolumn/


Hong Kong Police Commander Coordinating With Suspected Attackers: https://streamable.com/7wt53


I love Hong Kong. I love Hong Kongers and spent wonderful three years there. Am now leaving though (for many reasons, career and this). Not sure where off to next.

Singapore again? Australia? Don't know. Depends on opportunities. If anyone needs a good product guy, let me know

Unfortunately Hong Kong has never been competitive in tech offerings and quality of life has been going down dramatically over recent years.


Agreed, it's a unique and energetic place.

Shame that it's going downhill:

* extreme inequality - fresh graduates will have to work for a decade or more before they'll be able to put down a deposit for a 150 sq foot "shoebox", while the tycoons with their mansions on The Peak are chauffeured around in Rolls Royce and helicopters

* gradual erosion of civil liberties

* air pollution

* ridiculous rents - any business will have the rent increased on it until they're just scraping by, if at all. Main Street mom and pop shops are replaced by luxury shops catering to rich tourists (in China, you have value added tax, luxury tax, and the risk of fakes - so they much prefer buying in HK). For example, more Swiss watches are sold in HK (with 7m inhabitants) than in any other country [1]

The indomitable spirit of the Hong Kongers is inspiring though.

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-28/is-the-sw...


How did quality of life go down?


Extreme real estate prices?


Couldn't recommend Mainland China!


Taipei.


I'd love Taipei. Some of the nicest people I've met.

Unfortunately tech salaries are the lowest across Asia and not many good opportunities out there. Otherwise, sure ;)


Why not try mainland then ? Shenzhen or Guangzhou.




Assuming the gangsters are backed by pro mainland leaders, what are hoping to get out of this?


To deter persistent protests, I presume.

Speaking from experience, it is difficult to wrap a liberal mind around this.

From my limited understanding, pro Beijing people support rule by fear, since fear is the very reason they support the communist party.

They fear to even flich no matter what the communist party does to them, because they fear the revenge. That's why they want others to feel the same. That's why they approve of the violent suppression of protests. They don't believe there is hope for resistance, so they choose the winning side.

It's selfish, irrational, and immoral. There were judenrats during world war 2, and red guards during China's cultural revolution. It's all the same.


Suppression of dissent. What else?


If the general public is apathetic and and number of dissenter is in minority I get it. The only thing I can think of is, they are pitting against one another in hope to cause greater chaos.


(Based on a comment I made on another thread)

For more photos and videos of the triad attack, check out https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/

For another reporting of the triad attack, see BBC [1] and the Times [2].

It was leaked a few days ago that the government was planning to use triads to do the dirty work (See point 4 in [3] and [4] in Chinese). Using triads happened during the 2014 umbrella protest, but this time the attack on arbitrary citizens (not necessarily the protesters) is on a completely different scale: a terrorist attack.

And there are videos showing that the police “co-operated” with the triads (by turning a blind eye: arriving at the scene late [5] [6], chatting with the triad attackers [7] [8], closing the police stations and not responding to cases during the events).

[1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49066982

[2]: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2c35b094-abe5-11e9-b657-1....

[3]: https://www.facebook.com/ChanKamShui/posts/2336638383089638

[4]: https://nextplus.nextmedia.com/article/2_682569_0

[5]: A video showing two policemen turning their back on the the subway station right before the attack: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cg0hm2/hkpf_leavi....

[6]: A video allegedly showed how the triad members (on the left) left the scene when the police (on the right) arrived at one scene: https://www.facebook.com/ChanKamShui/videos/477470036387268/

[7]: https://www.facebook.com/paco.chor/videos/10157511842948537/

[8]: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=316880969036144

S_A_P 56 days ago [flagged]

Sounds like Antifa, or the right wing equivalent. Before the swarm of downvotes, everyone think about what happens when we decide to use violence to impose their point of view. The government should be our client, not our ruler. We should be able to protest and be heard without fear.


Please don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


You are always SO quick to shut down discussion but the guy you’re replying to is not flaming anyone and he is making really interesting points


The issue isn't that the commenter was flaming a particular person but that the comment was going into generic ideology. That's a classic flamewar zone and off topic here. I'm sorry to tell you that it's off topic since you find it interesting, but we don't have much choice but to build firewalls around HN. Highly-charged political topics would take over very quickly otherwise; they are more impassioned and inflammatory (and important, arguably) than anything else that gets discussed here.

By the way, I'm sorry that I didn't have a chance to respond to you in earlier threads. I saw your comments and would normally have been happy to answer, but ran out of time.


Okay, good points. I see it your way now. Thanks for the response. I appreciate you dude.


You are always so quick to shut down discussion. You always ring the flame war warning bell, then I watch people of a "certain" political flavor signal and counter signal their righteousness when it comes to climate change or any other settled topic. Maybe you guys should just add a "no unpopular or uncomfortable thoughts" rule instead of pretending you are saving the discussion from certain doom by soft censoring unpopular opinions.

This is just my opinion, as well it is a dead'd thread, so please don't shadow ban me. Again.


We ask people not to do generic ideological discussion because it's boring and not what HN is for. A good example is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19987774. We don't need that here—it has all been repeated millions of times, is all predictable, and therefore is all off topic. We do eventually ban users who keep doing that on HN, so please stop.

Shadowban means banning someone without telling them. When we banned you before, we told you at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10883352 and discussed with you later over email.


It's a nonsensical comparison unless you're well versed in doublespeak.


Why is that a more likely theory than them being government sponsored?


I think he's implying that Antifa is government sponsored as well.


I'm sorry you have been censored.

Controlled opposition and provocation are tried and true methods for controlling narrative and spin balancing. Unfortunately, the silicon valley bubble crowd can neither be disabused of their fantastical notions of reality nor can they accept that their unwashed heros may in fact be a part of the machine they tacitly support.


I'm the person who moderated the above bit, and I'm pretty confused about who my unwashed heroes are and what machine I support.




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