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Would any of you refuse to fly in a 737 max once it returns? I think I’d have a hard time getting on one, rational or not. I’d probably want to wait a year or more to see how things go and then maybe I’d feel ok. This had made me nervous flying the Dreamliner as well. Hard to get over these fears.

Absolutely. After the first crash I made sure none of my future flights were on one, and all of the articles that continue to come out about the 737 MAX seem to indicate that Boeing is a cost-cutting safety-skirting company that can’t be trusted to not kill people. I’d gladly pay an extra $50 to not be a guinea pig for their fixes.

What would you do if your plane was swapped out? It's fairly common if one is late or maintenance issues, etc.

I'd prefer not to, since correcting runaway horizontal stabilizer trim requires pilots to manually turn control wheels that many pilots lack the arm and upper body strength to turn.

The plane has become too large to rely on muscles and mechanical linkages to move a primary control surface.

I won't get into one until I'm satisfied that there's both a technical fix AND pilot retraining. I currently don't expect both to ever happen.

I'll fly on them anytime.

Once the pilots understand that runaway stab trim can be immediately halted by throwing the stab trim cutoff switches on the console, which is what the pilots did in the first instance of an MCAS failure and landed safely, the airplane can be safely flown.

Current 737MAX, 1 AOA sensor. As long as the pilot has been through the simulator with a run-away MCAS.

I'm good if he remembers "stab trim runaway - throw the stab trim cutoff switch". Because that's all that's needed. That's what the pilots did the first time it happened with Lion Air, and they landed without further difficulty. (The LA crash was the second time it happened.)

I intend to avoid them until they get extensive testing and re-certification by an independent agency (e.g. not the FAA). I do not trust either Boeing or the FAA to do the right thing, the economic incentives are too high.

Fortunately Boeing is not going to allow FAA to unground it until EASA approves it too. Can you imagine if it were still banned from European skies but flying in the US? That would kill it for good.

Could there be a political element here? The more changes EASA wants in the name of safety, and the more delays they add, the more airbus profits.

The have a clear incentive to force Boeing to make it far far safer than any other craft in the sky, and if Boeing complains, nobody will believe them.

I expect that the MCAS will eventually be fixed.

What worries me is the series of newspaper articles about a corrupted safety culture at Boeing, e.g. about the Dreamliner and how QC were finding forgotten parts and wrenches in the airframe. Commercial pressures are always at odds with safety, but I had the impression that aircraft manufacturers had this under control.

And the scary part is if this could happen in the US, other manufacturers aren't necessarily better, but they haven't fucked up so badly as Boeing (yet?). It's shaken my faith in faith in the idea of air safety engineering, which was always seen as shining example of safety engineering - it might be that the systems have become too complex to be managed safely.

> Would any of you refuse to fly in a 737 max once it returns?

I won't fly on it myself.

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