"Legacy" cloud providers. Nice try...
On a more serious note: has anyone used Oracles cloud offerings? I've heard they are very sub-par.
One reason we take into account that others might not: our developers and ops simply don't "like" oracle. Doesn't really matter why, because the portion of people that don't like it is large enough that we'd rather spend more to make our teams work well vs. save a few pennies and make them work with sub-par tooling. Unhappy and unproductive teams costs money too.
The “new” stuff is better in comparison but that’s really just damning with faint praise.
We have one branch of government that pursues companies for anti-trust, while another branch helps those companies cement their monopoly...
The state thinks it's doing good by forcing a monopoly for this one company with 'local presence', but the hilarious thing is that the company is HQ in Europe somewhere, and our preferred partner is actually US based.
However, among the major cloud computing providers Amazon is definitely one of the best in terms of offerings, maturity, and stability. Microsoft is not far behind Amazon, but I do not have any experience using Azure to know how it compares.
For "military-grade" cloud computing, I would choose Amazon.
We should not be headed down a path where AWS becomes "too big to fail" or considered a systemically important institution (for obvious reasons). Today's underdog is tomorrow's incumbent.
So no, there is no way it's going to be easy for them to port over to another cloud provider.
Google uses spanner, AWS uses dynamodb, and Azure uses Cosmodb which are all different database systems and thus they are all completely incompatible.
Whoever thought this was a good idea, shame on them.
The process for re-bidding them starts a long time before the contract ends, and often the incumbent will offer a temporary contract to cover the time between the end of the contract and the beginning of the next contract. The process is unpredictably long because one of the losers -- especially if it is the incumbent -- may protest the award.
A similar thing happened with a contract I worked a lot with and the new contract (much smaller than JEDI, but still ~$2BN). The contract was to replace legacy datacenters with cloud services and service management layered on top, and was an IDIQ (Indefinite Delivery, Indefinite Quantity) contract -- it was held up in protest so long after award that the government just ordered nothing, and came up with alternate strategies. The protesting entity was one of the winners of the bid (unlike JEDI, it was awarded to 4 parties, though they were all reselling AWS, Azure, Google, etc) and they ended up with nothing from this very expensive and time-consuming bidding process.
It’s also less than 0.2% of all federal government contracts, and assuming it’s the only contract they had it would not even place them in the top 50 government contractors. http://www.fi-aeroweb.com/Top-100-US-Government-Contractors....
Sure. Anyone who is not interacting with Oracle, provided they have sufficiently few resources.
This is the same company that tried to damage the coding world by attempting to copyright API's. I have no sympathy for them.
>secure hyperscale cloud solutions
It's just VMs and hosted services. I wanna gouge my fucking eyes out.
If Amazon exploded tomorrow, I could rack up some white box servers and have a customer-facing cluster running by next week. You know, I don't want to do that stuff any more, though.
I'm talking about paying $7k a year to put data in a cloud based DB node that can only handle 2k transactions a second.
My other gripe is more complex and is about being asked to migrate an existing incredibly complex series of high performance applications which require very complex dark fibre connections to a cloud env.
I am legitimately excited by new divide & conquer strategies and meshes. (And some other stuff.)
My problem with "cloud" is the negative impact on "architecture" caused by the resurrection of legacy "services" like message queues. It feels like the 90s all over again. Data feeds, ETL, storage, batches, RPCs, omg just kill me.
At my last gig, one of the youngsters asked me why everything was so weird, hard to manage. I told her "Org is stuck with mainframe worldview. We're moving the data and we should be moving the code." Light bulbs.
Perhaps I'm just a dinosaur
From the cow's mouth, here's the original JEDI Cloud solicitation--which includes the latest amended SOO and Oracle's pre-award protest--and the actual court order.
Doesn't seem like anyone is really talking about it either, but it's worth noting that this isn't some gratuitous "here's $10B, we're locking ourselves in for the next decade, go buck wild" ordeal. This ID/IQ contract has a 2-year base with 3-, 3-, and 2-year options for the remaining years, and a maximum $10B cap iff the government exercises all options.
Here's to hoping the government doesn't royally screw themselves over by dropping the ball on CDRLs A007 and A014.
Looks like cargo-culting has its limits.
I am from east Europe. I know corruption when i see it. Suddenly if Oracle is left out of the game, up they pop with unfairness and other smoke grenades for the unaware.
Also as a technical person, integration at this scale between two providers can be a PITA exercise. Best to chose one.
The best case scenario is you win the protest and have to rebid the whole thing again. You’ll still probably end up losing. Now you walk away with more money spent, more exposure due to public court records, and a customer who’s pissed off.
Went well for SpaceX, which won access to Air Force contracts through the courts. (It’s now re-litigating .)
In any case, this is commercial litigation. Not protesting per se.
By this, what were you referring to?
A pork barrel military may not be a good idea. One that punishes political critics might even be worse.
GovCloud is AWS and Azure right?
I don't understand why JEDI would be exclusively one provider.
That's the correct course of action in the US. If you disagree with something you take it to the courts!
It's not David vs Goliath here where Oracle is abusing it's deep pockets with lawyers.
Worse yet then people get upset at the outcome of the decision if it wasn't to their liking.
The best strategy to pursue with Oracle is never speak to them.
Frivolous litigation that WE are paying for. It's our tax money paying for those court cases.