1. Ensure Zoom client is not running (the GUI, not the ZoomOpener)
2. Completely delete Zoom client app from /Applications, empty trash
(ZoomOpener continues to run from ~/.zoomus/, not just from memory, it is never deleted)
3. Wait 5 minutes
However, if you click on any Zoom link after you've done those three steps, it will absolutely re-install that client app into /Applications AND launch it into that video room. I confirmed that.
I still feel this is a violation of my trust and I'm uninstalling this app entirely and won't use Zoom again.
Also, if Apple actually cared about the Mac and privacy like they say they do, they would temporarily revoke Zoom's app signing key until they cut this shit out.
Now, if Apple revoked their cert because they didn't like Zooms view on <some political issue> then I'd be ranting and raving with the rest of HN.
Revoking signing keys on the Mac is pretty extreme considering that Zoom is creator of the software — and that is what the key is meant to prove / enforce. I think that sets a very bad precedent.
The fact that Zoom is distributed outside of the App Store should at least raise eyebrows for Mac users. At this point, I tend to ask what specific functionality is required by an app, such that it wouldn't be allowed in the Mac App Store — especially for free client software (there can be perfectly valid reasons for this, such as previous versions of BBEdit).
My biggest pet peeve was Ciscos version. I had to install: a browser plugin, which wasnt used, then a desktop app, then a follow up desktop app to support voice and audio. What the actual heck is Cisco smoking!? I was shocked. I cannot believe the sheer incompetency and what saddens me is they probably advertise Webex as a solution but it is such garbage on a Mac. I dare not ask what its like on Windows or Linux (ha!). I hate to say it but Webex might benefit from becoming an Electron app.
I mentioned this, I just went off on a tangeant cause it amazes me how broken some of these pieces of software are, it's a problem we solved a long time ago (audio and video conferencing) and it seems only Electron based apps have been getting it right lately for whatever reason.
Turns out there is a Zoom Web Client though and I'm all wet.
What's worse is WebEx is supposed to be web only supposedly, but I installed 3 things to use it... Totally not HTML5 friendly at all...
For anybody interested in the Zoom web client:
Revoking the key and making its restoration conditional on issuing a security patch would be a way to make sure an update does happen. I'm not a fan Apple's approach to software signing, but this is a good opportunity to showcase some of the benefits that their system does legitimately have.
They'd be stepping in on behalf of users and saying, "Sure you can issue updates. After you fix the security hole."
Right now, Zoom is gambling that they don't need to care about security from a business point of view. Apple can change the situation so they do.
Zoom is the only solution that's been decent for me. The UI for the desktop client is a bit rough around the edges, but it's certainly not the worst. I'd really like to continue to like Zoom but I can't do that if they're going to do shady things or bungle security.
It is the worst for giving presentations. I had practiced for giving a presentation from my MacBook, and it was sprung on me when I arrived. Zoom "oh so helpfully" pops down a control panel every time the mouse cursor approaches the menus at the top of the screen. It also "oh so helpfully" puts itself into fullscreen when I don't want it to do that.
As far as I'm concerned, the UX is bungled.
They don’t see them as issues, but as features. These happen on purpose. They’ve said as much, including that they don’t intend to change this behaviour. If they do it now, it’ll be because they’re trying to stop the bad press and not because they believe these are problems, which means they can’t be trusted to not pull other crap like this in the future.
>To uninstall any Mac App, see this article by Apple. Please also see http://www.wikihow.com/Uninstall-Programs-on-Mac-Computers
: This Zoom: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20387298
Or is there an official uninstaller, and Zoom simply tries to „fix“ itself after the deletion-hook was invoked by MacOS? I can imagine plenty of people wondering why Zoom doesn’t work after they „moved it“.
I am pretty confident they won’t, because they’ve said they consider these to be features and intend to keep it that way. If they backpedal now it won’t be because they’ve realised how user-hostile this is, but because they’ve gotten so much bad press.
The mob mentality in these comments is overwhelming sometimes.
Too many people are just piling on without examining themselves and their own work.
So yes, we all make mistakes, and we should fix them promptly and correctly. Zoom did neither, and then put out that nonsense PR blog.
There's no way I will trust that company again after how they handled this.
Give them some time and I think they will fix this and fix the issues that caused them to not catch this the first time and fix it as quickly as we would all like.
But you guys do what you want, I am getting tired of the mob mentality and extremism that seems to permeate these and other discussions. Why not give them some time and not adopt such an extreme position.