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And I bet they still drove. Big SUVs if they are like most families.



I know it's super fashionable to hate on driving, but there's a reason why people drive - because they value their own time. I don't live in London but in a large city in the North, and when driving my commute is about 20 minutes, vs. at least an hour on public transport. Add kids to the mix and if you have to drop off your dearest at 8am but also be at work at/around 8am, then it might simply be impossible to do it on public transport in the right timeframe.

I'm trying to switch away from driving as much as I can nowadays, but there's a reason why people do it, especially with kids that have to be places. Ultimately, I don't think it's the issue with driving - it's the issue with cars being polluting. My next car is definitely going to be electric if possible.


London is different. Unless they work at an awkward position where they’d have to travel into central then out again to get to work, driving is usually never quicker.

And the schools they attend tend to be in a catchment area, meaning they’ll live near enough to probably not need a car and can walk at the very least.

There are buses that go down almost every road in London, with varying routes. I can only imagine it’s worth driving when in the outer boroughs, but for all intents and purposes I’m assuming we are imaging someone driving an SUV in a very congested area, where public transport is prolific. Unnecessary.


> Ultimately, I don't think it's the issue with driving

Its an issue with the structure of cities. If you let the free market decide the structure of cities with minimum regulation for over half a century, and with no concern for the environmental externalities, you get cities with sprawling suburbs and in which driving becomes a necessity.

If you make a decades long plan for the city, that makes the city go moderately vertical, doesn't give space for suburbs, but provides the other amenities of suburbs like green spaces and quiet, and consistently invest in public transit, you get cities with low environment impact and low commute times. You also avoid the problems of loneliness and social isolation that single people now face because they are forced to rent in suburbs, leading to a worse society for everyone.


What gets me is how entitled many drivers are.

I know a lot of people who drive instead of walking every single time, even when the destination is not more than 200 meters away.

Almost every day I see drivers parked on the side of the road, who, when they need to get to the other side of the road, get in their car and drive. Holy shit, the road is like 6 meters wide, and and crosswalk is never far away. How lazy can they be?

A lot of them find it too complicated to shut their engines when they're waiting for somebody, or when they go inside a store. They don't listen to music, they're not using AC (all windows are open), the weather is fine. This can only be explained by entitlement and laziness.


Well yes, I think can both agree that this kind of behaviour is gross and unacceptable.


At least in the UK, the highway code requires you to switch off your engine when you are stationary for a prolonged period of time. The fine is only £20 though, so I doubt it's really enforced.


Diesels are the worst. They should tax diesel higher. The market shifted to diesel b/c of lower diesel prices vs petrol. Diesel may give you a higher mpg but it comes at a big particulate and health cost.


I think he's hating on those ridiculous SUVs that people seem to do their school-runs in more than the driving itself.


But then that's silly. Would it be better if they were doing the school-runs in sedans? Hatchbacks? pickups? We can argue that a small hatchback would have marginally smaller emissions than a modern SUV, but then it's the wrong thing to focus on, we should be trying to get these people off the road, not pondering about SUVs.


Personally, I hate SUVs because they are really shitty cars. Heavy, high center of gravity, high consumption, ugly (IMO), not even much storage space.


I'm guessing you're not based in the UK - large SUVs are _not_ the norm here by any means. In parts of the country (wealthy boroughs/towns, or hilly farmland) sure, but most families are not driving SUVs.




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