This guy is a complete fraud. He's collecting $927/month on Patreon by deceiving generous and hopeful programmers. The claims on the web page are outright lies.
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README.txt: Right now there are several dependencies that you need to install: clang, glfw, freetype, libcurl.
web page claim: 400 KB compiler with zero dependencies
README.txt: Missing features that will be available soon: x64 machine code generation without a C compiler
web page claim: V compiles ≈1.2 million lines of code per second per CPU core. (Intel i5-7500 @ 3.40GHz, SM0256L SSD, no optimization). Such speed is achieved by direct machine code generation and a strong modularity.
README.txt: Missing features that will be available soon: hot code reloading
web page claim: Hot code reloading. Get your changes instantly without recompiling.
README.txt: Missing features that will be available soon: REPL
web page claim: V has a REPL
README.txt: Missing features that will be available soon: cross compiling
web page claim: Easy cross compilation. To cross compile your software simply run v -os windows . or v -os linux . No extra steps required, even for GUI and graphical apps!
There's evidence that this person cannot be trusted: https://github.com/voltapp/volt/issues/143
Some quotes from that issue:
"Do you go read firefox history?"
"Yea, this is really unnerving. I feel like I need to invalidate all my firefox sessions now. What did you do?"
"Lol that's what you guys get for running proprietary software."
I'm all on board with friendly competition, but this is pretty hostile behavior to the open-source community. Be honest about what your software can and cannot do. And release source or GTFO.
> Hot code reloading will be available on June 22.
What the heck, so you have claimed that it's just a readme or source cleanup but that was actually a huge missing feature. You said that you have high standards [1], but you don't seem to have high standards on what you say.
You remind me of another russian school kid "inventor" that "created" completely new OS named "BolgenOS" :D Basically reskinned Ubuntu and tried to present it as 100% original software.
> Do you really think the compiler needs glfw or freetype to function? It's for the graphics library to build things like the tetris.v example.
Do you ship the compiler with those libraries that require those packages? If yes, then the compiler is not 400kb. The compiler nowadays never means only the compiler executable, it means the complete environment it ships with.
Yeah you don't. You never added the size of the dependencies (like clang) to the size of the compiler.
And thats what I am saying. You don't even need to add the size of your stdlib. A compiler does not include the stdlib as per your definition . So your compiler is actually much less than 400kb.
I originally did not call this project as fraudulent rather "This is not as advertised" which talked about here: https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/35
Note: some of the comments on that issue have been deleted by the v-lang creator as they were criticizing the claims made.
However, advertising a product can do something and then releasing it stating it cannot do it yet, is one thing, but accepting money for a product that does not what is advertised, is fraud.
If the features were advertised as goals, that would not have been an issue. But these features were advertised as existing and ready to use.
Please do not give this individual money!!!
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If you want to support new languages that do as advertised, please support my language Odin or Andrew Kelley's language Zig.
Both are very good languages as alternatives to C but with different philosophies behind them.
Stop advertising your language as being more capable than it is.
That is the only complaint. You are advertising under false pretenses and asking for money for early access to a product (through Patreon) which does match what is advertised.
First of all the language is released on June 22. It was released today for 7 hours. There's no more early access.
Second of all, you haven't listed any of these "false pretenses". Your AST and runtime points are laughable. So is the "dependency" on glfw and freetype.
He's up to 56% of the income I make on Patreon for Zig, and I've been busting my ass for years, working on solving a lot of the same problems, except it's been open source the whole time, and I only ever put claims on ziglang.org that describe actual status quo available software. It's really disheartening that such dishonest tactics are so effective.
So true... I'm also thinking what's the point to open source under the umbrella of this V programming language something that is no more than a couple of examples.
Because the author is simultaneously working on the Volt IM [1] and the language to make Volt? I can't really say about Volt as I haven't used it, but it is enough to establish that some concrete development is in progress. But you can't really sell an incomplete programming language in this way.
Because Volt must have been written in V (please let me know if a counterevidence exists), V must have been at least mature enough to write Volt. I'm pretty sure that V does exist at this stage, but that doesn't convince me that it is viable, nor that it can get that much money.
>Because Volt must have been written in V (please let me know if a counterevidence exists)
The source of V or any substantial V project haven't been released, and the author making inaccurate claims about the compiler (and taking donations on Patreon, by the way.) Why should we accept without skepticism that (closed source app) was written with (closed source language)?
Have you ever analyzed the released Volt binary? It has symbols like this:
000000010001dc30 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_1
000000010001eba0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_10
00000001000219a0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_100
[...snip...]
000000010004bae0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_462
000000010002a430 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_463
0000000100037940 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_464
000000010001f2f0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_465
0000000100020220 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_47
0000000100020240 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_48
00000001000202b0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _f_49
[...snip...]
00000001000182a0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_add
000000010001a110 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_all_after
000000010001a020 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_all_before
000000010001a090 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_all_before_last
0000000100019ef0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_at
0000000100018540 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_clone
0000000100018aa0 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_contains
0000000100018610 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_cstr
0000000100019470 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_ends_with
0000000100018b30 g 0f SECT 01 0000 [.text] _string_eq
While you can always mangle symbols, it is strange that i) every symbol is in public and ii) only some of them are mangled. Therefore I think the binary was probably produced by V's C transpiler, with some V standard library functions slapped on them.
(I had to rewrite the reply because I later realized that the binary was packed with UPX, I should have thoroughly inspected strings. Sorry for inconvenience.)
yeh, smoke and mirrors. Checking all the websites the author is maintaining, the focus is on Patreon support, much less on real development and commitment. I'm also intrigued why such projects (which does not have any code openly available behind) are so high rated. I assume because many github users does not take the effort to see behind.
Yes, I was first interested in his stuff when he announced the perpetually "coming soon" Volt last year. Disregard the dates, deadlines, and promises for this project.
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README.txt: Right now there are several dependencies that you need to install: clang, glfw, freetype, libcurl.
web page claim: 400 KB compiler with zero dependencies
README.txt: Missing features that will be available soon: x64 machine code generation without a C compiler
web page claim: V compiles ≈1.2 million lines of code per second per CPU core. (Intel i5-7500 @ 3.40GHz, SM0256L SSD, no optimization). Such speed is achieved by direct machine code generation and a strong modularity.
README.txt: Missing features that will be available soon: hot code reloading
web page claim: Hot code reloading. Get your changes instantly without recompiling.
README.txt: Missing features that will be available soon: REPL
web page claim: V has a REPL
README.txt: Missing features that will be available soon: cross compiling
web page claim: Easy cross compilation. To cross compile your software simply run v -os windows . or v -os linux . No extra steps required, even for GUI and graphical apps!
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Furthermore it's really shady to release only closed source builds 2 days before a source release. Why the sudden change of mind? https://twitter.com/v_language/status/1137750611389288450
There's evidence that this person cannot be trusted: https://github.com/voltapp/volt/issues/143 Some quotes from that issue: "Do you go read firefox history?" "Yea, this is really unnerving. I feel like I need to invalidate all my firefox sessions now. What did you do?" "Lol that's what you guys get for running proprietary software."
More evidence of false claims: https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/35
I'm all on board with friendly competition, but this is pretty hostile behavior to the open-source community. Be honest about what your software can and cannot do. And release source or GTFO.