README.txt: Right now there are several dependencies that you need to install: clang, glfw, freetype, libcurl.
web page claim: 400 KB compiler with zero dependencies
README.txt: Missing features that will be available soon: x64 machine code generation without a C compiler
web page claim: V compiles ≈1.2 million lines of code per second per CPU core. (Intel i5-7500 @ 3.40GHz, SM0256L SSD, no optimization). Such speed is achieved by direct machine code generation and a strong modularity.
README.txt: Missing features that will be available soon: hot code reloading
web page claim: Hot code reloading. Get your changes instantly without recompiling.
README.txt: Missing features that will be available soon: REPL
web page claim: V has a REPL
README.txt: Missing features that will be available soon: cross compiling
web page claim: Easy cross compilation. To cross compile your software simply run v -os windows . or v -os linux . No extra steps required, even for GUI and graphical apps!
Furthermore it's really shady to release only closed source builds 2 days before a source release. Why the sudden change of mind? https://twitter.com/v_language/status/1137750611389288450
There's evidence that this person cannot be trusted: https://github.com/voltapp/volt/issues/143
Some quotes from that issue:
"Do you go read firefox history?"
"Yea, this is really unnerving. I feel like I need to invalidate all my firefox sessions now. What did you do?"
"Lol that's what you guys get for running proprietary software."
More evidence of false claims: https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/35
I'm all on board with friendly competition, but this is pretty hostile behavior to the open-source community. Be honest about what your software can and cannot do. And release source or GTFO.
The compiler has ZERO dependencies, as stated on the website. You can build it with `clang v.c`.
Do you really think the compiler needs glfw or freetype to function? It's for the graphics library to build things like the tetris.v example.
As for clang, It was made very clear that V compiles to C in addition to emitting native code, and that it's much more stable at the moment.
Hot code reloading will be available on June 22.
Cross compiling already works, and you saw this on twitter. How can you claim it's a lie? https://twitter.com/v_language/status/1137537130887077890
What the heck, so you have claimed that it's just a readme or source cleanup but that was actually a huge missing feature. You said that you have high standards , but you don't seem to have high standards on what you say.
Do you ship the compiler with those libraries that require those packages? If yes, then the compiler is not 400kb. The compiler nowadays never means only the compiler executable, it means the complete environment it ships with.
The modules can have gigabytes of dependencies, this doesn't make the compiler depend on them.
And thats what I am saying. You don't even need to add the size of your stdlib. A compiler does not include the stdlib as per your definition . So your compiler is actually much less than 400kb.
On windows, clang is about 100 mb download and it further requires msvc install which is around 1 gb download if you only download the build tools.
That in itself is a fucking 1.1 gb dependency.
Note: some of the comments on that issue have been deleted by the v-lang creator as they were criticizing the claims made.
However, advertising a product can do something and then releasing it stating it cannot do it yet, is one thing, but accepting money for a product that does not what is advertised, is fraud.
If the features were advertised as goals, that would not have been an issue. But these features were advertised as existing and ready to use.
Please do not give this individual money!!!
If you want to support new languages that do as advertised, please support my language Odin or Andrew Kelley's language Zig.
Both are very good languages as alternatives to C but with different philosophies behind them.
That is the only complaint. You are advertising under false pretenses and asking for money for early access to a product (through Patreon) which does match what is advertised.
Second of all, you haven't listed any of these "false pretenses". Your AST and runtime points are laughable. So is the "dependency" on glfw and freetype.
What about this? :)
Are you going to retract your statement and apologize?
Oh my. This is alarming. I have never thought that the author was already getting that much money out of this incomplete piece of software.
How does this even get voted so high here? Just on the claims?
The source of V or any substantial V project haven't been released, and the author making inaccurate claims about the compiler (and taking donations on Patreon, by the way.) Why should we accept without skepticism that (closed source app) was written with (closed source language)?
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(I had to rewrite the reply because I later realized that the binary was packed with UPX, I should have thoroughly inspected strings. Sorry for inconvenience.)
https://www.patreon.com/vlang is the one in question
but he also has https://www.patreon.com/voltapp
now other language designers need to learn from this project
keep your language simple, keep dependency list tiny, make clean syntax, focus on efficiency and small file size, and you win patrons
but people often then bloat their project, with uneeded features, that makes language harder to read, and harder for tooling to support it
i love Zig, i'm not using it, but i plan to once package manager is ready and vscode plugin with autocomplete and debugging is available
please make it happen, open bounties if you can't
Delete everything and run away with the money? Kick down the can and delay source release once more? Apologies? ("but but it's pre-alpha software!")