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What are the actual odds of actually being involved in an incident like that, compared to being killed in a car accident while commuting to work every day?



So the argument is being made that this particular place should not make people feel unsafe. I think a proper car accident analogy would be to compare one intersection to 3rd and pine, instead of the entire commute. If one intersection had as many car crashes as 3rd and pine had violent crimes, would you feel unsafe driving through that intersection, and maybe drive another way home?

More examples: https://komonews.com/news/local/hatchet-attack-on-3rd-and-pi... https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/kiro-7-investigation-pike-p... https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2018/05/15/detectives-investi... https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/police-inrea...


Those are all anecdotes.

The City of Seattle publishes actual geolocated statistics. Feel free to rummage around those and make a real case.


Check this: https://www.kiro7.com/news/where-are-seattles-most-dangerous...

The block on 3rd between Pike and Pine is the second most dangerous on KIRO's compiled list when looking at violent crime in Seattle according to those statistics. It looks like this data is from 2010-2013.

I also can't find geolocated statistics - the best data I can see is at the beat level here: https://data.seattle.gov/Public-Safety/Crime-Data/4fs7-3vj5 You sound like you know more about this than I, can you point me in the right direction?


Oh hey, your data is from back when I was going through 3rd & Pike/Pine daily. I never felt threatened or particularly in danger in that area, nor did my teachers (who also transited those blocks for their bus/rail connections) or classmates feel unsafe in those two blocks during that period.

FYI there is a live crime map, along with an interface to search older reports if you wander around seattle.gov


It's possible there is something the data is missing, like like the time of the crimes committed. I'm not invested enough to make a point by creating multiple queries against the available data sets. You and the other posters in this comment chain have provided anecdotal evidence that the area felt safe for you, but the data I'm seeing and anecdotes I've heard from friends tell me that it isn't safe.

The live map only shows the last 24 hours, and links to the data I provided above for anything older than 24 hours. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place for data which has more specificity in the location tied to it.




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