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>I feel differently. We should do everything. All at the same time. We don't have the luxury of time to pick and choose anymore.

As much as it would incredibly suck (for convenience and variety in life) I think we, as a species, need to completely abandon fossil fuels in the next 10 years. Sadly it'll never happen, we will be burning fossil fuels well past seeing massive deaths from starvation/drought/unpredictable weather/food wars.

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> As much as it would incredibly suck (for convenience and variety in life)

The good news is that it wouldn't even suck. I don't think so. We are being brainwashed (sorry, being informed about products and services via advertisement) that car ownership is the best thing since the pill, and that flying to a tech conference is a great experience. There are better (and much less polluting) ways to have fun. I believe without the fossil industry we will flourish and our quality of life will skyrocket.


>The good news is that it wouldn't even suck.

It would for me. I work in international freight, I'd be unemployed. It looks like my employer may have used 1.2 billion gallons of jet fuel alone last year, if these figures are accurate https://www.statista.com/statistics/878539/fedex-express-tot... -- at 9.57kg of carbon per gallon that is 11,640,000 metric tons of carbon (again if the numbers are accurate) just from our planes last year :(

We'd also be forced back to a (largely) pre 1950s-1960sish era level of tech as devices started to die off simply because we currently don't have the means of mining and moving goods globally on renewable energy at anywhere near current levels. I'm mostly fine with this though, if I woke up tomorrow and magic had made the computers/the internet/smartphones/e-readers disappear I'd have a really rough few days then I'd be like "oh well, let's go outside or down to the library, let me show these kids how a card catalog works".


I am not sure that CO2 emissions and climate change will have any real impact on the forwarding and freight industries. Global supply chains are so specialized by now that going back to 100% local production simply isn't feasible anymore, if it ever was. I guess supply chains, now being optimized for cost, will optimize for emissions instead.

Which is also the lever to go to net zero, make emissions of CO2 and such expensive enough and the world will change.

That being said, done well a global supply chain can very well be more efficient from a emissions perspective than a non-global one. The optimization knowledge needed to achieve that is already there. So, all in all I guess transportation of goods will even be more important going forward.


> I work in international freight, I'd be unemployed.

What is your profession? If it has anything to do with software you will EASILY find a job in ANY industry.

> means of mining and moving goods globally

Electronics are perfectly recyclable.

> let's go outside or down to the library

+1


Interestingly, the advertising industry may be fundamentally responsible for more CO2 emissions than the fossil fuel industry.

By cultivating dissatisfaction and greed in the populace, it encourages net overconsumption and unnecessary waste.


When power becomes cleaner there will be even less reason to support the position that urban living is better for the planet. EVs and clean energy will do more to open more space for people to live outside of cities because the environmental impact will so much less.

clean energy will free more people to choose to live how they want to live rather than live how others tell them too.


> car ownership While ownership isn't that important per se, access to a car is vital for many people living where there are no public transport options available. Unless you intend to start relocating people forcibly, we need to maintain some kind of transport ability on the country side.

Doesn't have to be run on fossil fuels, though.


> Unless you intend to start relocating people forcibly

You don't need to force anyone. It's happening by itself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization


Of course, but that will be a considerably longer process than desired if we're going to rely on that for reducing emissions. After all, there are always going to be some people living outside cities, and in most cases, public transport would be a waste out here because of the long distances involved and the low population density.

Bring farming machinery into the equation and replacing fossil fuels suddenly becomes far more important than reducing car ownership.




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