It supports arbitrary topologies (two peer machines syncing, one central always-on machine and lots of clients, etc.); with a VM in the cloud it can closely emulate Dropbox (sans web-based file browser), but it will also support e.g. just a desktop at home and a laptop that syncs when it's on the LAN. Pretty useful!
Especially the android app. The status of what the program is doing at the moment is not communicated very well. The refresh rate for status updates seems to be very low, and so you have connection status being disconnected, then jumps to connected after a few seconds of frustration("why isn't it connecting!!"). Then it sits there at 0% ("whats wrong!), and jumps to 64% after a few seconds, then 99%. Then sits there("is something wrong?"). Eventually it finishes and everything is fine("yay it worked!").
Love the project. Hope they get UI experience down though, as it is the main thing holding it back in my opinion.
The bugs have been open since way before the thing was called next cloud, but they have not been addressed. What you're stuck with is a "sync" client that opens a new connection to the server for every 4kb file you transfer. If you have a lot of those, it's lights out.
Syncing my document folder would have taken several weeks with nextcloud, it took less than half a day with Seafile and Syncthing.
I agree on all but the last part. They only provide step-by-step upgrades, so when I finally realize it's time to upgrade I'm so far behind that it's much easier to nuke the instance and start from scratch than do the ten upgrades one by one. I'm sure this isn't a problem for more diligent maintainers though.
Maybe it just needs a connect and sync now button for users to hammer.
I am going to look into mouting my home server's 2TB ZFS array via NFS on my droplet this week, and then reinstall Nextcloud and use that mount point for the user data.
See https://try.popho.be/securing-home.html & https://try.popho.be/byeunison.html
It was very strange to wonder why the fsync function would be broken or why it would prevent syncing files.
- Office 365 with Word, PowerPoint, Excel for 6 users each with a terabyte of storage.
- iCloud with 2 terabyte that I can use to back up all of my devices.
Or I can get Amazon Cloud Storage up to 1TB for $60 a year.
EDIT: Corrected iCloud and OneDrive storage.
On the other hand Dropbox has caused me major problems as recently as a couple weeks ago, and manages to keep bogging down explorer itself, which is a much worse sin than slow initial sync.
I’m sure they aren’t using the same infrastructure.
But that being said. My pictures and videos are automatically synced to:
Google Drive: (free, resolution reduced theoretically)
BackBlaze: iPhone -> OneDrive -> BackBlaze.
The last use case can be served as well by syncthing which can sync unlimited TB of data between devices for $0 per month.
The main killer of course being that they dropped support for exFAT, so there's zero way to use Dropbox on a drive shared between OS. That sounds a bit niche, but it basically means Dropbox can't be used on external storage.
Don't get me wrong, exFAT is dated. However, the supported file systems vary between OS, so you can't even use Tuxera (or FUSE) NTFS on Mac.
There's a lot of complaints about this on the Dropbox forums; so they know, they just don't care. So that's a black mark both technically and for customer support.
It seems like a situation where 95% of your users are covered by supporting a few partition types and a significant amount of time would be spent trying to do anythings more.
It is unfortunate they dropped exFAT support.
This actually doesn't make much sense as logically they ought to be depending on an abstract interface to the filesystem not a particular filesystem unless the filesystem in question actually lacks features required to make the software work.
This is actually so because it actually did work for years across a wide variety of filesystems. I was syncing files between one machine with ext4, one with zfs, and my android device without difficulty.
This is perceptibly to the user like websites that used to check to see if you were running internet explorer and auto fail if you were running firefox. It actually works if you fake the user agent.
Humorously you actually can work around the problem in the same fashion.
However its easier and safer just to drop dropbox.
It’s no longer the universal solution it used to be. That was it’s one selling point its competitors didn’t have. Good job ruining it!
If my next phone is an Android, I’ll probably move everything to syncthing and call it a day.
I can't speak to Dropbox since I don't use it for much, but even if a filesystem has those features it's not always a good idea because of a support, q/a, performance reasons, or future features. I was just trying to give my own abridged version of "mistakes programmers make about X"
I know there are hacks to make it work with other FS but I can't trust hacks with my data.
I think I first heard of them with casync. The gist of it is that you hash file contents in a sliding window, and use a condition on the resulting hash to chunck your file. That way, blocks are determined by the file content, not an arbitrary offset, and this allows to propagate deltas even with insertions or removals.
So with shared folders, you can have 5T space in OneDrive.
Also Office 365 Home is $80/year on Amazon.
I’m sure whoever came up with the idea got a nice raise.
Just thought I'd mention because I normally wouldn't have thought to go to Costco for Software, but it's a great deal and they just give you a code that you redeem from Microsoft's website. It has worked great so far! Cheapest place I know for buying Office.
Is there any other interesting software offering by Costco?
I know it's a little more involved getting set up but their syncing works pretty good too (and file sync is also awesome).
I'm working for a company that frequently needs to share large files with third-parties, where "large" is "larger than modern email limits". The requirement to have a G Suite login is a complete non-starter for most of the companies we interact with, but Dropbox is fine. So, we use Dropbox to share files with those suppliers.
We actually introduced “pin code sharing” , so that you can share (and even let folks comment and edit) without requiring a Google Account (which to be clear, isn’t actually identical to “GSuite Login”, you can register any email as a Google Account, but I recognize you may not want to).
I use primarily OSX/iOS, is the Drive experience any better ? I was seriously thinking about moving from Dropbox to Drive, but these issues are giving me pause.
If you just want to upload pure files without all the photo AI etc, then Drive folders should work fine for your needs. It'll largely be a backup / cloud storage destination.
Are you sure that's not your connection? I just uploaded 2000-3000 photos last week via web. Only took about 15m. I'm on 100/100MBit.
Other than what you mentioned, OneDrive always offering Office Online and the apps with a lot of shared storage for other users. And iCloud gives you that device backup for multiple people, another thing it grants you is the ability to use iCloud email. The web interface is the cleanest and most dignified looking of all major vendors. The snag with iCloud email is their calendar isn't the best, you can't have it email you reminders for appointments as you can with Outlook.com and Gmail. iOS notifications only, which is a very annoying restriction. I like to be notified, but also have an email sitting in my inbox on more detailed instructions on what may need to be done.
Starting from scratch today with the goal being zero-cost, I'd pick Outlook.com and OneDrive. If I'm willing to perpetually pay, iCloud.
May have to get on that and at least get over to Outlook/OneDrive, but tough to leave Gmail when everything is all setup as you like it. Dropbox is easier to leave, they're pushing it by decreasing value rather than improving it.
I've been a dropbox user for years and haven't paid them a penny since the free product does everything I need it to.
I was really impressed with all the upgrades throughout the years. The upgrade scripts that come with their installations which I run on my Linux box are clearly labelled (e.g. 5.1_to_5.2.sh) and run successfully without giving me random obscure messages that you might sometimes expect.
I recommend people check it out to see if it could work for you.
The only downside really is that since it's git-based storage, you can't just specify "this is the directory I want to serve", rather you have to upload everything via Seafile and it will write it out in its git filesystem (which means it's duplicated if you already have a copy on your filesystem.) This is in contrast to OwnCloud I think, which will let you access/serve remote files from their original location.
Best thing about Seafile is its syncing performance. Worlds better than owncloud/pydio, and it doesn't choke on large directories.
1. Businesses also want to minimize expenses.
2. Hacker News, despite its host, is not dedicated to starting up businesses. It has a broader range than that.
All the initial comments were about how Dropbox simply repackaged the abilities of free built-in linux tools.
No. No no no.
The now-first comment was asking what the value was for a linux user and also had two other pieces of criticism/advice that were very valid. The same user that posted that also said "You are correct that this presents a very good, easy-to-install piece of functionality for Windows users."
Second top-level comment calling it genius. Third calling it good but also sharing one of the other pieces of criticism. Three more calling it good. One asking about scaling. Etc. The thread as a whole is exceptionally positive.
Go refresh yourself: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863
You don't think Facebook is a rebranding of friendster and myspace?
But no, there is the business value and the added services that the competition failed to offer to stay in business.
I've never used the official app to connect to Dropbox, so now I guess I never will.
I don't see the point then of using Dropbox exclusively in such fashion. All cloud storage services used like that are interchangeable.
I know there are dedicated backup services like Backblaze, however occasionally I also need to share a large file or two with someone or need to offer a public download. It's often enough that I don't want to use wetransfer or similar services. Even more often I need a service that syncs data and settings of various iOS apps. While iCloud is fine, Dropbox is widely supported on iOS. I basically need a general purpose web storage and Dropbox seems to be the only one that handles all these use cases fine.
I've always been a bit scattered across multiple cloud service, for various reasons, so I opted to use software that could sync with multiple and avoid installing so many clients.
That said, Dropbox's other maybe-not-quite "killer feature" is that it's exclusively intergrated into a number of applications for settings and data backup/syncing. In those cases, Dropbox's purpose is interchangable, but in practice it's not.
The other time I use Dropbox is for apps that use it as an intergrated way of syncing or backing up settings, such as MoneyDance.
So far it's pretty good. Photo sync works from Phone works perfectly, and the desktop apps are decent enough. I did get bitten by a recursive folder-sync bug , which is certainly not of Dropbox quality but at least pull-requests are welcome.
Firstly, I now have as much disk I need, and secondly, the warm fuzzy feeling you get when you know your files are now in your own control :)
They're not perfect but definitely good enough. They reeled me in with a lifetime subscription when I was contemplating buying a NAS for home.
Where I've run into syncing issues with them is working in a project directory with Git on Linux and Windows (using Git Bash). The latter (I think) caused syncing issues. Anyway, it's a bit niche and one isn't supposed to do this anyway. Still Dropbox and Seafile seemed to handle this fine.
They’ve certainly lost my goodwill. What a shame.
Since I only use Apple products, I don't really have to worry about cross OS compatibility.
Using commodity hardware gives me peace of mind regarding this scenario, unlikely as it sounds.
My work uses OneDrive extensively and it integrates really well across devices and the web for on-line editing. Dropbox never really had a better use-case than syncing and missed the boat on using the easy u/l mechanism for various kinds of sharing/social activities. I'm more or less considering moving to OneDrive for home use as well even if the sync isn't quite as good because it works better than DB across almost all other parameters.
Also nobody here's mentioned Amazon Drive which I find interesting.
I saw this happen with Evernote. It's starting to happen with Dropbox.
I wish there were a company really focused on the long term, and that cared about customers more than bottom line.
Dropbox / Evernote competitors: please, show up.
Unfortunately, Resilio had to ruin it with complex enterprice-y license schemes.
Quite happy with it.
My 1Password standalone license is now limited to three connected devices as a result. Very disappointing.
Can't say I'll be giving dropbox my business.
So Dropbox figured out people would continue to freeload forever and devised a strategy to try and convert some. That's my theory.
It’s no longer the universal solution it used to be. That was it’s one unique selling point its competitors didn’t have. Good job ruining it!
I bet normal use case is to sync between desktop, laptop, and phone.
And I'm sure now some people will comment how they use Dropbox to sync stuff to their whole extended family for some obscure reason and that is fine. Then the free version is just not for you.
For me it seems to still work like it used to.
Also, why do we expect corporations to dole out free goodies for everyone? Dropbox has a good product, they should be able to charge for it.
Work machine, home laptop, home desktop, phone.
Oops. One will have to go.
The average immediate not extended family size is 4.
Also please note that setting a distinct device limit of 3 is only an effective and useful change if and only if it effects a significant number of users and pushes a significant number to paid accounts.