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We are in a constant struggle to fill front end web developer roles in every place I've worked at in the UK.

Seems to be a real shortage of quality developers And we offer competitive rates at my current place of work




If you're hiring, I'm currently on the market. FE working faily with Vue.js for the past year and a half in my current company. I live in London and would gladly chat more about what you may be looking for.


Do you have an email / contact info I could reach out to?


without going into too much details, what is competitive rate for a FE web dev?

I work in London and was just wondering what those rates go for.


Perm roles from 60-80k + contractor roles of £500/day and we're based just outside of london ( with some offices inside )


I'm just outside London and earning £23k as a Rails developer. Should I quit?

Haven't been actively pursuing other leads yet because of the fact that I have a three month notice period and people don't seem to be willing to wait that long.


Its entirely possible to get a junior ruby on rails job outside of london earning 30k, even 35k is not unheard of for a junior.

Just go on any of the big job sites, search "Junior Ruby on Rails" in your area and take a look at whats available. If you find some good jobs, apply, go for an interview - if you get an offer put that to your current employer, maybe they will match it, if not you now have the option of leaving to a higher paid job if thats what you want. Its pretty simple really!

EDIT: Sorry I read that you are "outside london", but really you said you are "just outside london" - does that mean you can commute into london? If so then at 23k you are being paid far below market rates.


I'm 20 minutes give or take by train from central London.

Basically I'm a sole developer for this company - I do everything from developing the Rails app itself to managing a bunch of servers running Docker / Docker Swarm. Fun.


Thats great, you are gaining a TON of really valuable experience. It also means that you are worth a hell of out lot more to this company than 23k. If you were to quit and they had to hire somebody to fill this role, they would have a very hard time finding somebody to do all that at 23k, even at 35k it would be difficult. Junior developers are not really expected to be able to do everything that you're doing right now.

If I were I would start applying to jobs, and when they ask you what salary you would expect I would go for 35k, you could reasonably push it to 40k depending on how confident you are at negotiating.

Feel free to PM me if you have anymore questions.


Depends on how experienced you are in the field? I started on 21k also but I'm happy with my progression - My years pay went something like this

20, 30, 45 - 50 ( with bonus ), 60 - 80 ( with bonus )

The JS field is booming if you are passionate there are many desperate companies I think I may even be getting underpaid in my new role But I have WFH and perks :)

Also I've had 3 months notice on both my jobs it sucks but many companies will wait ( especially larger ones ). Although my new one is 1 month luckily


You should be earning double.

Do your research and you will see what the going rate is in your location.

You are in a good position to get that pay rise, because your current employer would have to backfill and pay market rates anyway.

In terms of your notice period - if you don't like working there anymore, quit now and then look for jobs after month 1 or 2, so that would give mean your new employer would have to wait only a month.

Or consider contracting.


Depends how confident you are that you can succeed on your own. 23k is basically slave labor though.


For a mid-senior role that sounds about right. Grads / juniors would be lucky to get half of that.


But do you offer remote work?

There’s plenty of need for developers, yet almost no companies consider remote positions.


That's not really true. There's lots of companies that offer remote front end dev positions in the UK - but only if you're somewhere else in the UK. Otherwise tax and timezones are painful.

I know because I've been looking recently..


I run a small consultancy in the UK (not web dev) and hiring people outside the country is a pain.

You have to really want that person because it is a trade off in terms of admin overhead and cost.

Today, we have one full time team member in Germany and in the past we had someone in the Netherlands too.

In both cases, we used specialised payroll companies who charge a fee to be that person’s legal employer. They take care of taxes, health insurance, and other legal requirements. The cost of such a service has varied between €350 and €450 a month.

The real cost though is in covering the different payroll taxes in other countries. Add that to the payroll company’s fee and it costs us at least £10,000 more each year to employ someone in Germany than if they were in the UK.

I’ve seen confusion here and on twitter as to why more companies won’t hire remote outside their own country. The reason might be that it’s relatively expensive and outside the company’s competence.


I don't get that. Just do what I did: open a single person company and charge them monthly for your (pre-tax) salary. This has drawbacks like not being protected by the employment laws of the country you live in (are any of us really concerned about losing a job?) but advantages such as having a lot more flexibility tax-wise along with usually very significantly lower tax rates due to you paying yourself via dividends instead of salary, also you can have multiple clients simultaneously if you can handle the workload.

Details on tax optimization vary depending on your country of residence and the country where you opened your company.

For the "employer" company this is also very simple as they're just paying the invoices you send them.


Not everyone wants the overhead of running a company.

Some countries, including the Netherlands and Germany, specifically prevent this in either law or regulation.


Why not just ask them to set up their own company and bill you? It seems easier that way and would allow them to optimize their own taxes better...


That makes some things like ISO27001 and Cyber Essentials really hard. Each company involved with user data (which includes things like server logs) has to be assessed separately.


Exactly, it really is silly that the whole "outsource everything to India" mindset was replaced with "everyone has to be in the same building", no remote work, no work from home on some days of the week etc, as it would somehow increase productivity. It doesn't it simply strips companies that mandate such policies to loose the best of their staff which can go away and find work elsewhere in one weeks time.


I’ve worked remotely for the past 13 years and now run a small company that is remote, despite having an office available.

Offering remote positions is not just a case of throwing a switch. It requires significant cultural and process changes.

Speaking from experience, I’d prefer to work for companies that are committed to remote rather than one that accommodates one or two remote people.


We offer partial WFH ( 1-2 days ) in my current role - but I've just for a full remote UK based position :)




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