The Pinebook Pro looks more respectable hardware-wise, but I would avoid looking at it as a daily driver until you can find reviews of it saying otherwise. I had been looking at the phone a few days before and was astonished at how outdated the hardware was, even for an open source device that is possibly upgradeable.
Comparing it to my MacBook Pro... it's terrible.
It has some flaws, and it may be underpowered for things like YouTube, it works flawlessly as a small note taker that has an extremely long battery life and a decent screen/keyboard. It's also really nice for having a Linux machine around that most dongles/serial consoles just work with when you head into the datacenter to deal with a Cisco device that isn't playing nice.
For the price point, you get a lot. As an owner of a Pinebook, I am looking forward to the Pinebook Pro.
I'm hoping the PineBook Pro is bit better, since I love the idea of having a good ARM based laptop with FOSS software driving it, but as it stands my Pinebook is more or less a paperweight
I have thought about writing some kind of ncurses application and having it live next to my server to display some cool diagnostic screens that I pretend to read, but most likely it'll just be a novelty that I whip out about once a month to complain about to my wife.
I really miss when Firefox (Phoenix, Firebird) felt snappy and light. So, like, pre-2.0, back before 2006 :-(
How long? The reviews say around 6 hours; that's not long and definitely not extremely long. My X220 from 2011 has a lot more than that while being cheaper and a lot faster (really a lot; I am often surprised how fast this almost decade old machine is).
> CPU was compared to the PS3 and GPU was compared to the original Xbox, for reference.
Why is this a problem? This is "desktop" hardware against mobile hardware.
> It barely ran with the stock software
How so? It didn't perform well? It didn't boot at all?
> and was unable to play a 480p YouTube video fullscreen without noticeable frame drops
With which software? Did it support the A64's hardware decoder?
> They were also unable to get Windows running on it when they tried using a Raspberry Pi image
...Is expected that you're able to boot Raspberry Pi images on completely different devices?
> Pine64 themselves claim that the machine is not a daily driver.
I think you should have opened with that.
> I had been looking at the phone a few days before and was astonished at how outdated the hardware was, even for an open source device that is possibly upgradeable.
Open source hardware projects don't have the luxuries that multi-billion dollar behemoths like Samsung do. They don't have access to pre-production SoCs so they're handicapped from the start and they need to handle everything from design to parts sourcing to manufacture to distribution themselves, with a small team.
That means you're going to get "outdated" hardware. You don't buy open source for the latest shiny things, you buy it for other reasons.
No one said this was a problem, the commenter was simply stating the comparison.
> How so? It didn't perform well? It didn't boot at all?
The commenter explained that in literally the second part of the sentence:
> > It barely ran with the stock software (they had to install updates/new software to get it running)
>With which software? Did it support the A64's hardware decoder?
Again, as stated by the commenter, it was using youtube in the distro that comes with the machine.
> ...Is expected that you're able to boot Raspberry Pi images on completely different devices?
It's not too far fetched, they're not very different at all, they're both quad-core A53 (ARMv8) 64-bit based SOCs with similar clock speeds, and the some of the Pine boards with more RAM can run Win10.
> Open source hardware projects don't have the luxuries that multi-billion dollar behemoths like Samsung do.
Pine64 is just a Chinese knockoff of the Raspberry Pi, and is more closed than RPi due to the AllWinner SOCs they use. They have more support and reliability issues too.
There's no need to be rude, but if you're going to be rude, you should at least be accurate.
There's a lot more to a system than the CPU.
For the Raspberry Pi, someone bothered to port EDK2 and write ACPI tables: https://github.com/andreiw/RaspberryPiPkg
And Microsoft themselves were interested in the Pi (for IoT Core), so they even have some support for weird Broadcom hardware in the NT kernel.
If someone writes ACPI tables for Allwinner SoCs, it will work :)
> more closed than RPi due to the AllWinner SOCs they use
Allwinner has the most community support out of all SoCs there are. It is reverse engineered of course, but it's really good. To the point of someone writing a FOSS driver for the video decoder: https://linux-sunxi.org/Sunxi-cedrus — the RPi still only has blobs for video acceleration. The GPU situation is a bit reversed: VC4 is well established and maintained by Broadcom, while Panfrost and Lima are still pretty young.
It would be very incorrect to suggest that anything is more closed than the old garbage SoC that's in the RPi. It starts booting from the GPU (!) and it has a custom Broadcom exclusive interrupt controller instead of ARM GIC (!!). The author of the open GPU side firmware for the Pi literally suggested Allwinner (sunxi) as a better alternative:
But Rockchip of course a much better company because they themselves work with upstream Linux.
I said SoC, not just the CPU, but even there, no, there isn't much difference as you yourself state:
> If someone writes ACPI tables for Allwinner SoCs, it will work :)
Of course, Google's ChromeOS level of polish is a far cry from most 'freely assembled' distros out there, but last time I checked, the ubuntu/debian images for the PBP were getting there in terms of working features and performance.
They just uploaded it to youtube:
This is a combination of gurning and cheap shots. This seems to be a repeated methodology. Ordinarily I would consider reviews like this completely worthless, but I think I might have overestimated their value.
The fact that people are repeating attitudes conveyed by these videos elsewhere would suggest to me that they simply make the world a worse place.
Normally I try to maintain a more positive air in comments, but this is simply terrible.
Even with the Pro version, why would you ever buy this thing as a typical consumer? I mean, how would you even find it in the first place? The Pinebook is not aimed at the general public, even the Pro version.
The Pro will be great as a terminal and as a machine for casual development. It's not a gaming PC, a media center, or a server.
Mind you, when programming, I touch type with my right hand translated over a row- so instead of [J][K][L][;] it'd be [K][L][;]['] and my pinky is just all over the place. I do see why people like ANSI, but it's probably just a nature / nurture thing.
(No "pro" bump though - the same original Allwinner internals)
PINE's hardware has always been amazing. But their software support has always been terrible.