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> But it would definitely be good for the public to understand, at least to dismiss this notion that the internet is a free-for-all. It's not, in itself, resilient against interference.

> And would you want that freedom? I wonder if the individual ultimately would. Maybe there are things governments should be protecting us from. That's a valid discussion that should be had.

Governments, of the past, of the present, have left us with plenty evidence that they are perfectly incapable of protecting their citizens when it doesn't serve either their collective self-interest or the interest of whoever they happen to serve at the time. Imo, there is literally no alternate reality where handing the governments unabated control ends well.

- For starters, the govts don't even get technology.

- As a parallel to the Internet, look no further than the regulations, the standardisation processes that plague the telecommunications industry (who are under influence of the governments world-wide and are actively trying to wrestle the control of the internet away from traditional bodies). It's clear who wins (hint: not the end consumer, and occasionally the governments sneak in backdoors).

There's a reason BigTelco is what it is today (a no-escape surveillance dragnet). It'd be sad if the Internet plunges to such depths.

I'm glad initiatives like tor, i2p, ipfs, datproject, freedombox, nyc-mesh, community-broadband, matrix.org are trying to solve the problems in a myriad of ways. The threat of govts meddling with the Internet irrevocably is real though, esp since a functioning Internet requires quite an expensive yet co-operative infrastructure which is, for all intents and purposes, in control of the BigTech... but I don't see why individuals world-wide should go down without a fight to keep the Internet as neutral as they can, while they can.

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That aside, I'm interested to know if anyone has seen any huge latency difference between using Cloudflare Warp and using Wireguard behind Google's GlobalLoadBalancer or AWS' GlobalAccelerator (or equivalent StackPath/Cloudflare offering)?




> Imo, there is literally no alternate reality where handing the governments unabated control ends well.

IANA, which controls domain names, is in the US, which means it's technically under the complete control of the US government. That means the civilian-facing Internet and World Wide Web are under the complete control of the US (and always have been, as far as I know).

> For starters, the govts don't even get technology.

The US govt did all the research that led to the current Internet. The World Wide Web was invented at CERN, another governmental organization.

Many of the major advances of the 20th century were funded, organized, and run by governments.

If you meant to say that legislators don't even get technology, that would be a lot more valid. But legislators (in the US) provide funding to people who are at the forefront of their fields.


Thanks. Valid points but when I said governments I didn't just mean the US government. Besides, if history is any indicator, the governments (including democratic ones) are happy to turn a blind-eye to any and all important legislations when it make sense for whosoever is at the helm or in power at the time.




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