No fancy layouts required. It really just boils down to if I open gmail then I'm agreeing to myself that I'm spending whatever time it takes to address everything right now.
This is coming from someone who usually wakes up with 10s of emails since I offer personal support for 30,000+ people who take my video courses. A lot of these questions are quite technical too (Docker / Flask / programming things) and require writing custom responses and sometimes troubleshooting. I do this a couple of times a day but the bulk of the emails come up at night since that's the longest period of time where emails go unchecked for ~8 hours.
I wouldn't ever consider ignoring or not replying to an email from a person who isn't spamming me. To me that's almost the rudest thing you can do online.
For the people who struggle with email, how much email do you get and what's the nature of those emails?
Funny. For me, this was one of the reasons email kept piling up - not feeling I'd have the time to address it. And then there was the other related problem: For most of my emails, I do not know how much time each can take without opening it.
>I wouldn't ever consider ignoring or not replying to an email from a person who isn't spamming me. To me that's almost the rudest thing you can do online.
It used to bother me, but I've gotten over the feeling. I no longer find it rude when I don't get a reply. However, mentally I do categorize people as repliers and poor/non-repliers, so I know how much or how little effort to put into writing an email for each category.
The reality is that it's cheaper than it should be to send someone an email. I put in more of my effort to reply to well thought out emails vs quickly written one-two liners. For the latter, it's almost always the case that I'll expend an order of magnitude more effort in responding than they put into their email, and I don't appreciate the asymmetry.
And also, a lot of people still get way too much mail - and despite what many here think, it's not all in their control. I'm not going to fault someone for not responding because my email got lost in all that noise.
I'm a researcher and most of my email is from frequent collaborators whom I know well, or automated academic stuff.
Reason #1: Some emails I expect to not be able to respond to for some time. We're discussing a project and I need some hours to think about it, read papers, etc. before I respond. These threads go for months (with many meetings interspersed).
Reason #2: I like email to double as reminders or to-dos (though I also keep a to-do list). So for example an automated email reminding me to review a paper by May 20. I won't archive that until I've done the review.
(Edit: I like the idea of sorting every email when I open my client, if not archiving it. I just don't get enough email for this to be a problem.)
I agree with this. I realize there are some people who get literally thousands of emails per day, but for the most part it really breaks the social contract of the Internet.
If I get email questions about blog posts I've written or videos I've created then I just answer them and then usually anonymize the person and dump them online so that other people can then find the answer via Google or whatever, e.g.: https://www.fwdeveryone.com/t/WT-4NHhJQiyCa5mbDOhuGw/long-re...
The main feature I'm still missing is an easy way to add my own TODOs there. I currently send emails to myself, but that's quite cumbersome (press `c` for compose, enter my own email address, <Tab>, type reminder, <Ctrl>+<Enter> to send, `x` to select that email, then `b` to snooze it to the desired time - in Inbox, this would be `t`, type reminder, set snooze time, <Enter>).
Or maybe it is slow to roll out to old accounts.
Step 1: Switch to basic HTML mode
Seriously though if you use the normal mode, there is a split view that allows you to have a preview pane that makes gmail a lot more bearable. Ever since the last big update it is painfully slow to load for me. Pinning the tab in Firefox and adding preview pane made it almost usable.
My initial reason for leaving Gmail was equal parts de-Google-fying my life, and the terrible no good UI changes in Gmail.
After using FM, just the UI improvement alone was well worth the effort it took me to update my email address everywhere I have an account.
My inbox is a mess, just collecting more emails every day. Something like this would probably be useful.
Are the "multiple inbox" still available today? Is it basically the labels?
1) "todo" label
2) "awaiting reply" label
3) "delegated" label
4) "info" label (regarding meetings, flights, etc)
in your inbox, use special stars to star the emails and then archive all emails with the corresponding label (which reflects the star).
Once a conversation is done, archive the email removing the labels and stars?
It seems confusing to me. What am I missing?
you can use stars OR labels - no point using both
you have extra inboxes for each kind on the side
you read in your inbox
you act (potentially reply, potentially mark with star/label, always archive)
if it's a todo you dont get to now you put it in the todo label
if you replied and want to make sure you dont lose track -> awaiting reply
if you handed it off to someone and want to keep track -> delegated
if it's about some future meeting (or flight, hotel, etc) -> purple star (forgot what i called it)
you always archive
this way your main inbox is empty and you know what you looked at
by adding (or removing) label they end up (or get out) in the little boxes
at some point you might go through your todos - handle them remove the star/label
at some other point you might browse through the awaiting replies and realise they are done or no longer needed -> remove label
(and so on)
works really well for me
As a system it feels like it's just the right amount of simple, but as a UX it's horrid. I shouldn't have to give up inbound mail autocategorisation or lose my keyboard workflow, especially since I've been spoilt by awesome extensions such as mgsloan/todoist-shortcuts for my other workflow tool.
New gmail has improved a lot of things, but it's disappointing that this isstill the nearest we've got to 'good' in the last 5 years.
KanbanMail (https://kanbanmail.app/) and Drag (https://www.dragapp.com/) spring to mind. Both give this same kind of task separation.
main reason i never switched (even with all compromises) is that i didn't want to be forced to switch back if i pick the unlucky one (eg google inbox)
The shocking thing about this is that gmail is FLYING now - the difference is night and day. I've been fairly despondent about g mail performance for a while now, but I'm just about speechless. I would love to know if anyone has noticed anything similar.
(1) Emails, not threads.
Such as in the VampyrLee instance.
or mark as "delegated" if someone else of my team is handling it and i might want to keep track
That’s kind of a deal breaker for me.