The same goes for many other modern "communities". Everything is robotized. Configured to feed you with stuff rather than incentivize discovery and a sense of curiosity.
Of course, it's sad that old school forums are literally non-existent. vBulletin, phpBB, IPB -- these are the real internet forums. These days, people want flashy colors, but most importantly, everything handed to them on a golden platter. Albeit, this is likely an issue with concentration and attention span.
A vicious cycle.
One of the biggest shifts that has hurt the visibility of forums these days is not in everything becoming gamified with internet points, or "robotized" with preference-oriented content.
IMO it's actually our societal inability to pay attention to one topic for more than a few minutes at a time. We've become so well trained by the constant drip feed of randomized content, and the chase-the-rabbit research methodology of wikipedia, that when you encounter a forum in your search results, you probably didn't even consciously realize it because you skimmed it for the content you were looking for and moved on.
Which is exactly what at least Facebook's goal has always been - keep people on Facebook. They're pushing content creators to publish their full content on their platform, so people don't need to click through and leave Facebook.
Before, if you had an interest you'd use a search engine and end up on one of many - or just the one - forum. Nowadays you find a relevant subreddit for that and stick to it. You get a lot more passers by, no hassle to create an account for it (because you already have one), a unified interface, and a much wider audience and content creators than you would ever have on your own forums.
People spend much more time on FB, Instagram et al.
Reddit is an interesting hybrid. it does allow for specialized communities, but still engages in the "content feeding" mentioned above.
In forums, deep discussions can/could go on for weeks on the same topic. This completely impossible in today's main platforms.
Hackernews is just as guilty of this!
Few people read submissions older than a day or two, and a miniscule amount of them comment. Because no-one is going to answer anyway. That's my biggest gripe with this community.
Overall is the Gutenberg press reloaded. First publish bibles in the local languages, then publish anything, like for example Leibniz, outside the usual channels (academia say), then limit the spreading of knowledge via laws and trade over boundaries. Much faster than before, but not so fast so that one individual, say, would witness both the Gutenberg press and a major effect like the USA.
- 1450 Gutenberg - 1970 Arpanet
- 1500 Luther - 1990 Berners-Lee
- 1700 Leibniz - 2010 Open Access, Open Science
- 1800 USA - x, major event towards the freedom of the internet
If we count in decades, suppose both processes as exponential and we take Gutenberg - Arpanet as the 0 point, then we see
2^t_internet = 5^t_gutenberg
which suggests that the major event x would be at about 4.6 decades after the Arpanet. :)
t_internet - t_arpanet = 2^p
t_history - t_gutenberg = 5^p
where t_internet is in the range [t_arpanet, 210] (in decades) and t_history is in the range [t_gutenberg, t_arpanet] (in decades).
Therefore, if a historic event related to the printing press occured at t_history time (in decades) then the equivalent event related to the net occured at t_internet (in decades), given by te formula:
t_internet = t_arpanet + (t_history - t_gutenberg)^0,43067
where 0,43067 = (ln 2)/(ln 5).
As I remember forums they are quite a lot smaller than HN and tended to focus around more specific topics. (HN is rather broad).
I do miss the old gaming forums! They're replaced by discord now which is a different way of interacting.
There's also that story on the front page (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19717717), again about a niche forum (astronomy).
Humans interactions already feature those, so, no, they don't eliminate the possibility of community or the word would have no meaning in the real world.
There’s nothing stopping everyone going back to forums, except that when it comes down to it, people seem to value being able to share/see/rank content easily more than they value a sense of community.
I don’t compulsively check my phone because I “value” the content. I value what I read in books far more. But my attention span seems to be in free fall and I haven’t picked up a book in months.
I think it is _very_ possible to want something (I.e. a return to old school forums), but not act in a corresponding way.
Social media is digital drugs.
Old-school forums are drugs too, I'm addicted to one myself ;). Mostly for the drama and back-and-forth.
Presenting this as some sort of rational merit-based decision by internet users, is disingenuous at best. Many of us have watched large 'tech companies' destroy our communities through monopolistic tactics.
Social media platforms control, manipulate, curate and dictate the destination you arrive at all in an effort to generate clicks and then cash. They are a different thing, playing on our basest instincts and we have to ask ourselves if they actually are net benefits.
I hope stuff's been going well for Jam since she ended the comic.
Thus JuicyCanvas.com was born : https://JuicyCanvas.com
-- With a bold Manifesto: https://juicycanvas.com/manifesto/
It was the first social marketplace where visual artists & designers could upload their work to be 'forked' aka 'remixed' by 'remixer' users , who then could curate, share, and sell to their friends, fans, and communities.
We managed to attract +500 incredible artists from over 50 Countries who were bold enough to allow their works to have such freedom of re-interpretation.
It was to be the end of 'zombie consumption'..and the beginning of `active consumers` who could finally break free of mass produced art & fashion.
But like all new behaviors/habits, these things take a lot of time to catch on...and time was sadly not our side this time.
Perhaps one day soon, such an idea will rise again...and stick around with more...juice.
1. I kept twisting knobs to make it grow faster until people got fed up and left.
2. Internet art communities were dying in general.
3. Sketcher, the Java applet I had developed for multi-user real-time collaborative digital painting using pressure sensitive Wacom digitisers — the main draw of the site — was rapidly getting outdated as the Web began to reject Java. HTML5 was still a few years away, making it impossible to implement high-performance graphics apps in the browser. By the time WebGL made the kind of rendering I needed viable in a browser, the site was long gone.
That era of web development was a frustrating time for me. Java in the browser was abandoned without offering a full replacement for its number crunching, graphics and media capabilities. My strong suite was the kind of software you typically write in C/C++ and the web ecosystem just wasn't able to do that kind of thing at the time. I basically sat there and wanted WASM and WebGL and all these other rich web technologies to exist, but they just didn't.
I spent a lot of time there around 2006-08 (I think). There was a lot of good content, but finding it wasn't easy.
> <meta http-equiv="content-type" name="medialounge - metamash mediation" content="There is a concept which corrupts and upsets all others. I refer not to Evil, whose limited realm is that of ethics; I refer to the infinite. The possibilities of the art of combination are not infinite, but they tend to be frightful. It is a constant interplay of ideas, a collection of story synopses that work better than novels ever could. Ideas are thrown away as quickly as they arrive. An incomplete, but not false, image of the universe, I am a mistake, a ghost" >
Verizon embarked on an ambitious effort to be a force in online content and display ads, so that they'd produce worthwhile content that would contribute to them running a bigger and more successful ad network. They bought AOL and its magazines to make it happen, and a few years later they acquired the content arm of Yahoo when Yahoo pivoted to an investment holding company.
Porn blogs were a big and visible part of Tumblr, but Tumblr's unwillingness to use coarse filtering meant that they were poorly policed. Porn blogs were overwhelmingly run by bots and hosted stolen content, they'd spam-follow unrelated accounts to game search engines, and they'd generally be a nuisance in every way, despite attracting a fair amount of viewers. The Apple App Store fiasco gave a convenient pretext to roll out the coarse filter to whack porn blogs and make the site more palatable for advertisers, but the collateral damage also affected erotica, art, sex-positive communities, and various LGBTQ communities. Meanwhile, ads on Tumblr have gotten a slight bit more frequent since the Yahoo days, but hardly any more relevant or less low-rent.
No - that ban was because of child pornography, not adult content. Tumblr were apparently working on the adult content ban well before that happened; consensus being that it's likely to avoid problems with SESTA-FOSTA.
Additional bonus is that you'll need adblock disabled and third party cookies enabled and all tracking protection turned off to opt out.
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This illegal implementation is even worse than before because it now forces me to explicitly agree with the tracking.
It essentially means that I could not access Tumblr anymore.
But that's actually okay, no? I mean, you can make a decision what's more important to you...
I hate this timeline.
PS: A Discourse forum would make for a great platform IMHO.