For instance, they own something like 40% of Epic Games, who is currently throwing large envelopes of cash around to secure a strong position in video game distribution.
If there is cause to be concerned about China applying soft power to sway western opinions, then there is cause to be concerned about Tencent.
Don't just blow this off as "oh but they aren't using it" (to GP, not parent). If you're going to gather data, there needs to be a reason. Hoarding it can be dangerous.
China blocked Google/Twitter/Facebook with the the same logic.
Google/Facebook/Twitter are pretty darn conservative about what they censor. "Hate speech is bad" is technically a cultural statement, I guess, but one I feel wholly comfortable spreading everywhere.
I was also under the impression that impression takedowns were not automatically applied worldwide, although I could be wrong. I know I can often view Youtube videos that were taken down for copyright by connecting to a Russian VPN.
From the Chinese perspective I don't think it makes much difference whether something they perceive to be threatening originates somewhere in the soup of the internet and then makes its way into China or is a concerted effort by a foreign government.
I think the same would be true in reverse, when the Chinese internet would collectively promote material running counter to US interests, say for patriotic reasons, it'd be subject to scrutiny just the same. (In fact historically that did sort of happen to say, pro Soviet American citizens)
- 10000 who were killed in 1989
- parents whose baby who were poisoned by melanine-tainted milk
- people who were forced out of their homes by corrupt local officials and property developers
- human rights lawyers locked up without due process even by the standards of the Chinese written laws
The US has its fair share of misdeeds, but it does not blatantly censor the Internet and public discourse.
Don't conflate Chinese people with CPC.
Thing number one is preventing their own citizens from communicating and organizing among themselves. Thing number two is the international soft-power push, mostly aimed at muddying the waters of public discourse enough that they are no longer the unquestionable bad guy (the goal here is simply to damp down international criticism). Preventing the spread of "Western democratic values" and "universal human rights" in China is a concern, but probably doesn't make third place, or even fourth.
But blocking GitHub has proven to be very costly so they're often forced to revert the decision. That's why GitHub appear to be the perfect place to host and promote truthful content (e.g. wiki articles about tiananmen massacre, xijiang concentration camps, etc) along with detailed instructions to bypass censorship. Right now it appear that at best China can prevent a specific URL from being shared on weixin/weibo/etc but can't stop people from opening the repo if they find a creative way to share it after (e.g. put the link in an image and modify the image slightly to change its hash before sharing it).
More explanation and links in this post upthread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19538691.
> Reddit confirms $300M Series D led by China’s Tencent at $3B value
Dude, I'm 100% sure it's not 'occasionally'. The threaten is basically _everywhere_ around Taiwanese's life with _daily_ based frequency. But I totally agree with your opinion about Taiwan should protect themselves instead of fully relying on external forces like U.S or U.N
Loved Taiwan, hope they get real independence some day.
1) Taiwan is de-facto independent and PRC has 0 direct control over them.
2) The reason why Taiwanese passports say “Republic of China” is because they are also claiming to be the real Chinese government.
2) That's a historic stance and not one claimed by most Taiwanese people today. Meanwhile, PRC passports devote a page to each province of China, including a page for Taiwan.
China itself is Taiwan's top trading partner
Followed by the US. China does not need to "pressure its trading partners".
Taiwan has its own currency, does not pay tax to the mainland, has a real democracy, and is an ally to the US.
Chinese passports can devote a page to whereever they want, it means nothing.
Interesting fact... phone numbers in the Taiwanese capital begin 02. That's because when the KMT invaded, they reserved 01 for Nanjing, their base of operations when they were the mainland government, and for whatever reason they wanted to believe they would be able to retake it.
Does this mean Taiwan owns Nanjing? :-) Nor does the passport page act as a deed of ownership for Taiwan...
The passport thing doesn't mean anything in and of itself. That's not the point.
>> The PRC exerts indirect control over Taiwan's economy by pressuring its trading partners, so the distinction is academic.
That's not what happens. What does happen is China pressures international bodies like the UN and the Olympic committee to pretend if they want to talk to Taiwan, they must talk to only China.
But it has mainly cosmetic effect... eg, despite all that effort, Taiwanese passports (not issued by China) are recognized almost everywhere except China
Of course the nuclear-armed mainland is bigger and scarier than a small island of 20-something million with only conventional forces. But China has not been suppressing Taiwan's trade as you wrongly said, it has been encouraging and benefitting from it to the point it's the #1 partner with double the value of the US.
1) letting them open factories and conduct business in China
2) letting them visit and vacation in China
3) trade with China at all
If you want an example of an actual embargo check out Iran, Cuba, for great examples of pointless aggression (from the US).
There are many more examples of how Taiwan is a separate country. The distinction is far from academic.
2) Same can be said for average PRC citizens too—they're not really day-to-day concerned about owning Taiwan. They often travel there for vacation too.
2) That just indicates that the PRC will continue to exert soft power over Taiwan instead of something more overt.
Huh? The PRC has said Taiwan and the mainland are one country since 1949, and the Taiwanese government has said the same since 1949. The previous Taiwanese president, Ma Ying-jeou, said this all the time.
All that Taiwan wants is to stay independent and democratic.
Do you have a good source on this? I just searched it and DDG didn't come up with any news source I know is reputable. The first 5 links I get are: newsmax.com, news.com.au, theglobeandmail.com, france24.com, and tibetsun.com
"We do not promise to renounce the use of force and
reserve the option to use all necessary measures."
Taiwan has to say this. China views Taiwan relinquishing their claim to the mainland as a deceleration of independence and justification for invasion.
Also these shows are actually broadcasted for free on the day that episode comes out which attracts huge crowds and buzz (although lots of ads) and you don't have to be a paying member or even a member to watch and they tend to be popular even among non-paying members so there are probably more watchers than the official 2 million daily active users.
Example of Yanxi Palace fame: https://sg.style.yahoo.com/singapore-actor-lawrence-wong-sen...
I'm pretty sure this move will hurt the DPP more than help.
I wonder if the 50 cent party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party is going to be involved in hacker news anytime soon...
I've specifically written about this recently:
That last link is an example of how these accusations hurt the community and individuals.
Plenty more explanation here for anyone who wants it: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=by:dang%20astroturfing&sort=by....
That IP used to resolve to n-mnstci-142.mnstci.iraq.centcom.mil . In my spare time I add information to Wikipedia, then I am taxed and some propaganda minister in the military, being paid by my taxes, gets rid of what I said and does some Orwellian rewrite if history.
These Chinese efforts seem skin to what the US government has been doing.
When I try to send email to the administrators of these networks, it is blackholed at the great firewall.
Furthermore, my personal website which only displays my personal contact information is blocked in China.
I can't do anything productive with Baidu, they are a net cost to me, while surely to them I'm a nobody.
Interesting, where does one go to check such a list of intended uses for a web server? Since Baidu has a cloud offering, the likeliest explanation is that the impersonation attempts are by spammers renting the servers from Baidu.
> Furthermore, my personal website which only displays my personal contact information is blocked in China.
Doesn't seem to be the case, unless I got the wrong website: https://en.greatfire.org/qui.suis.je
That is interesting! I have some devices in Beijing and Shanghai, and I can't reach qui.suis.je from there anymore (I used to be able to). I was able to connect from Jiangsu for a week or so last month, but not since.
Block something from China is for security risk.
In the end everyone just block everyone?
Would that be so terrible? Used to be a lot of time the answer was just war. Well, now, if they can't get along on the playground, people just take their marbles and go home.
It's not so terrible when you consider the alternative.
Not convincing though IMO, but the point is pretty academic at this point so it's hard for me to say one way or another. Maybe we're all talking past each other? It's one thing to say that having recourse to block someone is good, but quite another to say that taking recourse to block someone is good.
At least the Taiwanese authorities have.
No. Strong bases of educated voters don't emerge fully-formed from the Earth or something. It takes time to develop them and in that time they're vulnerable.
So why don't you look into it and make your opinion from the facts?
China blocking Western websites? Bad.
> China blocking Western websites? Bad.
That analysis is so oversimplified that all the important factors have been left out of it.
Human Rights and Rule of Law? Good.