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Hello! I'm Wes (aka; praetor), the founder of the UUCP project ! I'm humbled my project reached the front page of HN and has generated some interest.

Yes. I do apologize for the documentation being sparse. I'm developing the Tier 1 provisioning scripts, and documenting at the same time. Plus, unfortunately, I have a full-time life. But once I finish the Tier 1 stuff, I can delegate duties out to those with an interest :D

Yup. It's all run via SSH. The preferred server is Taylor UUCP, which is super flexible. I've sent an e-mail to the developer, Ian Taylor, to hopefully revive that project and breath some life into UUCP. It's a fantastically resilient protocol and will run over damned near anything. We've even had some talk of running UUCP over ham radio links!!!

All the Tier 1 hosts are mesh interconnected, so even if one goes down, it doesn't take huge swathes of the network with it. With how the Internet is shaping up to be, if Google goes down, it's taking a huge piece of the network with it. This is really intended to reawaken the DIY ethos the Internet was founded on. Mostly public nixes and tilde servers, but anyone with some dedication can be a Tier 1. We've kinda democratized it that way.

And no, you don't have to be the "right kind of freedom fighter". The Tier 1 operators have a gentleman's agreement to let anything pass through their node to the broader network unless it's something like CP or flagrantly against the law (or spam)

It's an exciting project! It really is a network for the modern nerd, and is ripe for all sorts of projects!

Please join us on IRC @ irc.tilde.chat or subscribe to the project mailing list at uucp@lists.tildeverse.org

See ya on the network! :D




I have posted link on HN to Dataforge UUCP because I have been interested in store-and-forward networks for a long years. All my email passing between notebook and my email servers used UUCP-over-SSH for years. But soon I create NNCP (http://www.nncpgo.org/) project and totally moved all my email/files store-and-forward networks to it. Possibly it could be interested to you.


To me, merely encrypting the transport layer via SSH is far from secure, especially when the network is used by "hackers" and "freedom fighters". Today, if a network wants to be immune from tracking by design, it should officially support to be accessed from anonymous networks. The UUCP protocol is perfect for relatively high-latency, low-bandwidth anonymous network, like Tor or i2p (Particularly, i2p by itself is a great project, the only issue is the latency of the network is too high for HTTP), it would be great if some Tier 1 hosts can be accessed from Tor/i2p via a raw TCP socket (without SSH, since it's unnecessary and increases overhead in these networks). Illegal content and spam can be a problem, only peering to reputation hosts can solve the problem at large.


Nothing says we can't run some nodes via i2p or Tor, and I suspect eventually someone will do it, which I like. I'd like to this to be a place where people with internet censorship can get the world out when Twitter fails. Hence the freedom fighter. We don't impose a transport. SSH is just a good trade off for easy and secure. The ol' UUCP books have to be dusted, so I want to keep the entry reasonably low. Once people are familiar (or re-familiar) with UUCP and feel confident enough to make contributions, I think we'll see this very thing. Like I said, it's ripe for tinkering.


Tor should be the only way to link nodes. The only reason for anyone to use batched mail and news in 2019 would be for the security - which means tor.

There is no reason to use SSH, as it expose the IP address of the participants.

Setting up UUCP for mail and news on localhost is not so easy anyway (meaning you must setup an MTA +NNTP daemon unless you do old school QWK), so you might as well ask the person to spend 5 minute to configure an onion address.

Like the previous author, I also strongly suggest you change the design to make it a cool and useful project instead of just a nostalgia fueled hobby (SGI servers??)


I geuss tilde servers means tilde.club style? 'nixes and tilde servers' was a bit opaque to me.

But I may show up on IRC because I'm the reason perl5's network transparent method call model Object::Remote sends 'Ssyshere' when it finishes bootstrapping.


If you have a dedicated host and reliable internet, you can be a Tier 1. We have a guy who is going to be hosting one at his house, and soon as I get some parts for an SGI Challenge server I have, dataforge's uucp server will be hosted here too. So feel free to join us in IRC!


Is there an issue with that IRC server? I can't connect to it for it me reason. Just times out.




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