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My Android phone came with a weather app preinstalled. The app cannot be uninstalled, is full of translation errors and some links redirect to Chinese websites. Who knows what data my phone constantly sends there?

Adding to that the fact that I don't receive system updates anymore, I have absolutely no trust in my phone. My next phone will be an iPhone, for the lack of better alternative.

Yeah, I recently switched from iPhone to Samsung Galaxy S10.

I don't have a previous experience so my reasoning was "well it's Samsung, at worst they'll have some shitty branded apps and some cruft". But I don't have an idea what these dozens of preinstalled apps running on my phone doing. Almost none of them can be uninstalled and only a handful can be disabled.

It is kind of scary to use a banking app on this thing. Never felt this way on an iPhone. I wanted to see the Android side after years of iPhone use, apparently it is still shit.

This is exactly why I am back on iPhone. I have had enough of unremovable shitware. I also value the simplicity of getting basic things done such as Bluetooth pairing. Stuff seems easier. The only thing slightly worse on iPhone is google 2fa, because it needs to use the gmail app.

> google 2fa, because it needs to use the gmail app you mean the Google app, right? Not the GMail one.

Not the original poster, but yes you're right

I use k9 mail and open keychain on android. What would be the equivalent on iPhone?

> It is kind of scary to use a banking app on this thing.

My wife, who is not a tech person at all, flatly refuses to run any banking or financial apps on her Android phone. She knows just enough about the technology to know that most Android devices are cesspools of spyware and malware, even her Galaxy phone. She doesn't like iPhones though, so I doubt she will ever go over to that side even for security's sake.

Please have her order a Librem 5 for banking etc!

No thank you, I lost faith in Purism after they continually misled their customers about the Librem 15 laptop.


To be fair, they did get Coreboot working after about 2 years from the time of that post but it's still not ideal, compared to a older Libreboot based system, performance not withstanding.

They did, but they never once apologized or admitted they misled customers about the laptop launching with Coreboot working and ME removed (in fact their initial promise was that they somehow got Intel to make a ME-free chipset "just for them" which was a flat out lie).

Lie to me and I'm done with you, especially over something as important as privacy and freedom. It may now be closer to what they originally promised, but I no longer trust them.

That's fair, and even "I" as a "partial supporter" think they need to tune down the marketing machine a bit.

It's a shame because they're really the only company doing what their doing (a fighting a chance at open source (as possible) and secure hardware)

Ever try the phones from Google with pretty much nothing pre-installed? It is a much better experience, but yes Android is still proper shit in some ways. In others it has come so far. I never have to restart my phone like I had to for my Galaxy S1 every day.

I got a nokia because it's as close to pure android without a super expensive google phone and here we are...

I used to have Nokia Windows Phones and they were excellent...I wonder if this was still going on back then?

> I never have to restart my phone like I had to for my Galaxy S1 every day.

Give it time. The slow-downs/reboots happen to every Android device over time.

I have a s8 I'm not using out of creep factor. Switched to a phone that supports lineageOS.

Oneplus preinstalled weather app doesn't work at all without access to my contacts and to device storage (media). I'm also more and more thinking about switching to Apple, and paying premium for no hardware advantage, only due to fact that Apple collects and sells less information about me. Not because it will change anything substantially but on principle.

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