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I've been thinking about the walled garden thing recently. Several of my friends who are /long/-time users of FB - thanks to its ability to gather scatterlings from across the world - have started talking about creating (logically) local and durable (not lost in the ad-injected update feed) content, memories and information.

As someone who long since gave up trying to provide that type of thing (because corps did it better/faster with no learning curve, excellent reach, etc), I find this shift interesting. It speaks of non-technical people wanting to have real control of their own content; not some token effort that ultimately enables monetization.

To me, there is still value in the ideas behind older unix services and protocols; things like gopher, old-school blogs (pre mega-corp platforms), irc chat, usenet, etc.

I see ActivityPub and IPFS as interesting developments; I'd love to know what other tools we could string together to help create other (presumably connected but distributed / federated?) spaces that aren't backed by a monetization engine.

It would be neat to see a "distro" that stood up a node with long and short-form content, chat, news and "groups" capabilities. Something a keen but inexperienced individual could spin up on AWS / GCP / DO / Azure, etc.

Am I crazy?

PS: Wasn't chat solved by Jabber (now xmpp)? IIRC, Yahoo and Google at the time didn't support it (other than by using brittle bridges).

Google supported Jabber in Google Talk, and then deprecated it, and then removed it in Google Hangouts: https://www.disruptivetelephony.com/2015/02/google-finally-k...

Yeah google switched hard from promoting interconnectedness to walled garden approach cca 2010. This was in response to Facebook's success and possibility of Facebook overthrowing google as the ad king.

In those days, even Facebook ran an xmpp gateway for their chat.

Facebook supported xmpp until about 2015 iirc.

The rationale at the time was that Facebook had walled-garden chat, Google had to create a walled garden compete. "Copy Facebook at all costs" was Google's survival strategy during the G+ era.

embrace, extend, extinguish?

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